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Saturday, May 19th, 2018 8:38 PM

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You Tube entires should not be allowed to masquerade as TV series

It seems as if there are too many television IMdb credits given to people who appear in "You Tube" videos.  These are You Tube videos not television.  As such there should be a separate designation for "Web series" so as not to confuse them with legitimate television credits.

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6 years ago

Hello, Actor07

I understand your concerns and separating web and TV would have probably been a good idea... ten or five years ago. Nowadays content on YouTube and numerous other platforms is not only rivaling traditional television, it sometimes gets a bigger audience and gives content as much prominence. Some platforms are so borderline that if IMDb will implement "web series" there will be endless disputes and arguments about TV vs. Web as a status of certain project (that basically is the situation with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and some of the Adult Swim productions).

I am personally adding a lot of YouTube content on IMDb however I have personal standards on that matter, trying to add productions with either some production values or cultural significance/appeal. The latter might seem speculative and subjective, but really, some YouTube videos or rather short films or episodes began worldwide-known franchises and subgenres while some TV shows got closed on their first season failing to amass half-an-audience of what a talented YouTuber can do with a single video.   

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But there is a distinction with a difference. Youtube can deliver a bigger overall audience, but over a span of time. Television has worked off of the premise that if a show did not deliver a certain amount of Instant audience, the show would literally not go on. There should be a Youtube wing separate from Television because Television required instant viewership on a scheduled basis or the show would be terminated.

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Alessandro,

My 2 cents: I think the state you are discribing is fading out: TV channels are relying more and more on catch-up viewing, sometimes over several weeks (sorry, I don't know the figures, but I know it for true at least in France).
On the other hand, YouTube programs may be available for a longer/infinite (?) period of time, but the volume of posted production and the quickness of novelty/renewal render the posted programs almost meaningless.

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(It's actually better that malaria not be eradicated, under the present circumstances.)

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6 years ago

Thanks for your input and congrats on your projects.  I'm looking forward to seeing some of your YouTube content.

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Thanks! I am very humble on YouTube so far with some web-series and shorts hitting thousands of views, but that's mostly because I concentrate on a feature film which I'm filming since 2007. Most of the money, inspiration, tech and everything else goes towards it and will hopefully make it watchable and interesting.  

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6 years ago

It is not proper to single out YouTube, but the gist of your concerns is that published folk art or published home movies should have a more limited presence on IMDb, right? The counterpoint is that are actually a number of YouTube channels, albeit not nearly the majority, that have content worthy of airing on television or even being released as feature movies in common cinemas. The amounts of the budgets and costs vary. The amounts of the participants involved vary. So, the main criterion that IMDb goes by is publication. Awkwardly, the widespread use of the Internet, along with permanence of content (by virtue of publishers who stand the test of time), has vastly augmented the scope of the "publication" horizon.

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Having a separate space for Youtube makes a lot of sense. It's a different way to get seen and be successful. The climb to Television prominence in many ways is a difficult path to take. Youtube allows for a video to grow an audience over time, Television only allowed for growth if the show was deemed a good show with the potential to grow, and overnight ratings were used. TV and Youtube are just different and we should celebrate and acknowledge the differences rather than throw them all into the same pot.  They can still all be IMDB, but some type of parsing between true broadcast and Internetcast should be designated in my opinion.

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Well said. I agree 100% Alessandro.

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I do not quite agree with you: for the final viewer, what matters is the program, regardless of its source: standard TV channel, catch-up TV, YouTube and other on line streaming, DVD, home streaming, etc. And the screen matters less and less. (Standard TV, computer or phone screen, video projection, etc.) The whole architecture is blending.

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Indeed the blending is significant, enough so to raise a lot of questions.

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Just a personal example, which happens to me now and then when going to the country: accessing a pay on-demand programm, or one on my home NAS, from my telephone, and casting it on a wide screen TV...

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I agree with Jeorj Euler, and not with Alessandro. Instead I want to suggest a sub-category. Like, if you have "Television series" there could be a sub-category called "Video" or "Online video".

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5 years ago

I hope no one minds my bumping this discussion, which is interesting.

I agree with Nikolay Yeriomin that the distinction between a web series and a TV series can be blurry, but I'd still like to make it. I've been adding YouTube and other online content for two years, and it still feels weird to tick the "TV series" box when I'm adding a web series.

In fact, I wonder why we have the same category - "Video" - for both an online video and a movie that was originally released to VHS or DVD. I'd like to see all online content, including both standalone videos and series, in a category called "Web" or "Internet" or "Online". (Hat tip: Luka1184).

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That's the thing. Watching content by streaming it through the Internet is roughly the same as watching television. The thing "video on demand", whether it is "pay per view" or open for anonymous viewing, is a variation of television.