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Why is “western-music” being deleted as a keyword?

For some reason, “western-music” is being deleted a a keyword.  It is a valid keyword, and even possibly a yet unacknowledged Music subgenre.  It DOES NOT just mean “music used in a Western title.”  Here’s the Wikipedia definition:

Western music is a form of country music composed by and about the people who settled and worked throughout the Western United States and Western Canada. Western music celebrates the lifestyle of the cowboy on the open ranges, Rocky Mountains, and prairies of Western North America. Directly related musically to old English, Irish, Scottish, and folk ballads, also the Mexican folk music of Northern Mexico and Southwestern United Statesinfluenced the development of this genre, particularly corrido, ranchera, New Mexico and Tejano. Western music shares similar roots with Appalachian music (also called country or hillbilly music), which developed around the same time throughout Appalachia and the Appalachian Mountains. The music industry of the mid-20th century grouped the two genres together under the banner of country and western music, later amalgamated into the modern name, country music.

Perhaps it should be changed to country-western-music, although some make a distinction between those two.

Why is this objective and accurate keyword being deleted?  Perhaps, whoever is deleting it does not understand what it actually is.

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Is there a way to check to see that it isn't being redirected?

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I don't know, but the term is not the most clear. For example, Britannica's entry Western music is about music from Europe or the Western world.

As it is also not one of the music genres defined in IMDb's list of subgenres, I can understand that someone may want to get rid of the keyword.

Your Wikipedia quotation says that western music is a form of country music and that the term "country and western" has developed into "country music". So based on your own source, it makes sense to use the broader term country-music, which is also in the subgenre list.

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I figured this matter boiled down to disambiguation concerns.

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No, it has developed into the term “country-western-music,” which may be the best keyword.  Instead of deleting “western-music,” can IMDb make a mass change to “country-western-music”?

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@bradley_kent​ 

The music industry of the mid-20th century grouped the two genres together under the banner of country and western music, later amalgamated into the modern name, country music.

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I don't think they are accepting merge requests currently. If you do pursue it, you may have to do some auditing. For example, does the keyword refer to country and western music or to music of European origin in this title?

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I realize that mergers of keywords are apparently not currently being accepted, BUT I am trying to get the staff to decide their preference.  (By the way, I did not say that “western-music” is currently a subgenre, but "even possibly a yet unacknowledged Music subgenre.”)

There’s an argument for “country-music” since that is the Grammy Awards category.

I still tend to think that “country-western-music” best represents this kind of music.

(When it comes to definitions, Wikipedia wins over Britannica since IMDb has often stated that American -- meaning the U.S. -- spellings are preferred at IMDb over British ones. IMDb may be physically located in England, BUT its ownership and most usage apparently reside in the U.S. Amazon owns IMDb.)  

Just looking for some objective leadership and decisiveness from the staff.

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Hi @bradley_kent -

In order for our staff to investigate, can you post the links to some recent IMDb titles you observed where the keyword "western music" was listed and incorrectly removed?

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Long time past.  I have replaced most of them.  Now, the question is: Should it be “country-music”?  “western-music”? OR “country-western-music”?

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Hi @bradley_kent​ -

I'm just circling back here to see if there is still any outstanding issues with adding these music keywords to the site?  I'm not an expert in this genre of music, though my understanding is that Western music is a form of country music.

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What about American country music?

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Hi @jeorj_euler​ -

I cannot attest to being an expert here, though my understanding is that American country and Western references the same type of music.  If this is the case, we would prefer to use to most common term to reference the music type.

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The issue with this keyword is definitely caused by the fact that it ends in the suffix "-music." IMDb's automated system for accepting and rejecting most keywords disfavors keywords that end in genre suffixes, unless the keywords are listed on the "accepted" list of subgenre keywords.

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