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When did "also archive footage" get dropped as an attribute?

I tried to add an attribute of (also archive footage) today, but it got rejected with the notation "It is redundant to specify archive footage if the person also appeared on-screen in original footage." When did this change occur? I see that there are apparently still 12 credits somewhere with that attribute, but obviously there used to be far more. I would argue that it's not redundant if the word "also" is included.

P.S. Apparently this issue came up five years ago, and a staffer said they would look into it. I guess we're still waiting for an update...

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3 years ago

This is a case where IMDb is removing relevant information which makes it hard to live up to their advertising that they are the most complete internet database. They are no listening to their users here.

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When the verb "listen" is used by IMDb, it doesn't mean the verb "obey". While there hasn't been much feedback, I do believe there has been a considerable amount of listening, considering and weighing, followed by conclusions that somebody else's point of view matters more than that of the folks who've long adopted a fundamentalist view, for lack of a better word, of IMDb's aim to be the most comprehensive of movie information hubs. Technically, IMDb remains the most comprehensive on the topic, just not in the same ways as it used to be. A similar problem exists on Wikipedia, but probably on there, omissions of a certain kind are limited to the act of avoiding deadnaming transgender folks, rather than IMDb's approach of redacting on demand. Granted that "certain kind" is seemingly very different from the matter of eliminating the "(also archive footage)" filmography item attribute, so this situation reminds me of the way that the literature listings were locked and kept in the submission interface for a while before being removed entirely a few years ago. Over time, there is an increasing portion of IMDb data that only the IMDb staff, and perhaps only IMDb high-level staff, can access. Which is very sad. I'm, as I've stated, before worried that this is just the beginning. On the Amazon website, there is the claim of customer obsession to be had by the IMDb company, but what constitutes a customer? For sure, that would be paying subscribers and paying advertisers, but who else? The folks who prefer to utilize smartphone for everything in their lives? I've seen the few explanations provided on these matters by IMDb staff, and I still just don't understand. Well, why would any of us? No obligation exists to explain anything to us.

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@jeorj_euler​ 

Which is very sad. I'm, as I've stated, before worried that this is just the beginning.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were right. What surprises me much more, is the fact that of all contributors, only a very, very small number of people speak up about this. I really don't understand this.

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I think I'm the only one who complains about the removal of almost every little awesome feature, but some features either I didn't know about or I forgot about, like the option in the advanced title search to narrow search criteria according to production status. (I had totally forgotten about that feature.) So, in a way, collective memory holes are emerging. Maybe a lot of downgrades simply go unnoticed by a lot of contributors.

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3 years ago

Hi @scgary66 & All -

Thanks for your feedback concerning this credit attribute that is no longer acceptable (as confirmed in more detail on the previous thread @mbmb pointed out)

We routinely revisit our policies for improvements, if there are valid use cases where this attribute is essential, you are welcome to post a Policy change request as an Idea with some examples - in doing so other community members can vote and add comments in favor (or not) of the change.  This way our staff can also better track interest and highlight feedback for future considerations.

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@Michelle​ 

The better question here is why was it removed, deleting valuable information without any input from the community that uses it.

I find it incredibly useful because it lets you know when a documentary is fully newly filmed versus a documentary that mixes new material with existing material.