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Thursday, January 23rd, 2014

what happened to my goof submission on Lone Survivor? It was there for a while then disappeared.

my reference number for submission 140123-174732-359200.
what happened to the goof I sent in?
 It was there for a while then vanished. Here is how I sent it in: [Error in geography]The movie mentions rattlesnakes and Poison Oak as hazards during the mission briefing, and later a rattlesnake is briefly glimpsed and heard on screen. While accurate potential natural hazards for the film's shooting location in New Mexico, rattlesnakes are only found in the Americas not in Afghanistan. Similarly Poison Oak is only found in Western North America. Potentially dangerous vipers such as the Saw Scaled Viper and Russell's Viper are occasionally found by troops in Afghanistan.

Here is how it appeared once edited and reworded by IMDB staff and posted to the film's IMDB page: "There are no rattlesnakes in Afghanistan, they are an Americas only species. They are mentioned during the debriefing, along with poison oak which is specific to western North America, and shown on screen about an hour into the movie."

Why was it taken off? It most certainly is a valid goof. Rattlesnakes still do not exist in Afghanistan, neither does poison oak. Both were mentioned in dialogue in the  film and a rattlesnake was actually shown onscreen later in the film.

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12 years ago

It wasn't a goof because Pit Vipers exist in Asia as well, and poinsion oak exist in some parts of Asian too. And guess where Afghanistan is? Ah, and you thought the Middle east was a continent. Hence, they taught us this is the 4th grade. Come on man, you're better than that.

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While rattlesnakes are pit vipers, all pit vipers are not rattlesnakes. No rattlesnake species exists outside of North, Central and South America or nearby islands. I happen to know that because hey, I am a professional wildlife biologist who just so happens to specialize in rattlesnakes. Huh, go figure. but if you say so on the internet without a clue what you are talking about...maybe I just better double check.

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I can also tell you live in the South. I'm sorry to hear that, lol.

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Over and out, kiddo. I don't talk to liars and losers. Good luck with your job at the Pest Control Company, lol.

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What the hell are you talking about? I do not live in the South, or work for any sort of pest control company. I have worked at the zoo, in the film industry as an animal wrangler, and as an educator specializing on animals besides work as a wildlife biologist. I have decades studying the types of plants and animals in this discussion. Where do you work? Walmart?

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Hey man, you're dealing with a troll. I stumbled upon this discussion while also questioning the validity of diamond back rattlesnakes in Afghanistan. Mr. Pretty and Matt Houston are probably the same person with two different accounts. Dont waste your time on them. I appreciate your informed input. Keep up the good fight.

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Yeah a pit viper with rattles yeah right. .Jeremy you are right sir

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The issue was NOT PIT VIPERS.. but RATTTTTTTTLE <----<<~ snakes, where they are ONLY found in NORTH and SOUTH AMERICA.. RATTTTTTLE snakes are not in other countries.. To the idiots that say PIT VIPERS.. DUH!  We know that.. Not any of those in other countries have RATTLES!  It is clear in the movie they say RATTLE SNAKES, and the movie shows a NORTH AMERICAN RATTLE snake busy RATTLING .... DUH.. DUH and MORE DUH..  that is for the DUHHHHMMYS out there that yell PIT VIPERS PIT VIPERS.. smh!~  DUH!
And someone who is in the animal biz for movies and a Zooo should strive to portray the RIGHT version of a pit viper native to the country even when filming in a separate one.  SMH... Its always like this with horses as well. People call any ol full blooded horse a thoroughbred, when in fact only ONE breed can be officially called a thoroughbred as that is a specific breed like a quarter horse, or Arabian.   A full blooded horse of ANY breed is called a PURE BRED.  So.. You say  a pit viper.. yes they are all over the world.. HOWEVER the ones specific with rattles are ONLY found here in N&S AMerica.  The movie is inaccurate.. Its like showing a quarter horse being ridden in an ARAB movie and saying its a Thoroughbred.  When in fact they would only have an ARABIAN horse or Barb type.   It would be A PUREBRED ARABIAN or BARB or mix.  SMH!  SOme people try hard but they just make it worse when they open their mouths.

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12 years ago

They called the Pit Vipers in Afghanistan Rattlesnakes, and Asian Poision Ivy, Poision Oak. They're firmiliar names from back home without being too specific.

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Calling a snake a RATTLE SNAKE that has no rattle just shows the ignorance of those people.  It would be hilarious if it werent so stupid.

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12 years ago

Just because people who do not have any background or training with plants or animals and do not know the correct names of species and mistakenly call them something they're familiar with from "back home" does not make it suddenly true. That is like saying, "Gee we don't have any of those there Asian elephants in 'Murica, so I guess we will call 'em moose, cause the fellas know 'bout moose, an' they're both big four legged critters." Thanks for the "biology" lesson though, that is like a 4th grader trying to school an astrophysicist because he made a paper rocket once in his back yard and knows all about it.

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Why insult the guy? He was trying to give you an answer to your question, yet you insult him? Rattlesnakes are in fact: Pit Vipers. And Poision oak exists in Afghanistan.


Murica??? You mean America. That's a ghetto name people call America. And most people who use that name have no sense.


No offense, but you need to show some respect to your elders.


You're a professional wildlife biologist? Hahahahaha. You made my night, kiddo.


Yet, you still live with mom, lol. Grow up, kiddo. Because anybody can work for a pest control company, lol.



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Mr. Petty, apparently you have not been keeping track. He implied insult first with his comment, "It wasn't a goof because Pit Vipers exist in Asia as well, and poison oak exist in some parts of Asian too. And guess where Afghanistan is? Ah, and you thought the Middle east was a continent. Hence, they taught us this is the 4th grade." I responded to his insult and innacurate statements with a barb and satire comparing his comment to a hillbilly who uses such phrases as 'murica. But seeing as that is all waaaay over your head, I will try to go real slow for you OK?

Rattlesnakes, a group of snakes in the Genus (big scary new word look that up) Crotalus (Latin, no harm done if you have never heard that one) do not exist in the wild in Asia at all. They are from North America, South America and Central America. Look at a globe if this helps...see? Good Job.

The analogy that he used that certain terms from home equivocate terms accurately abroad, and his complete ignorance of biology displayed, specifically that "Rattlesnakes are Pit vipers, and Pit vipers live in Asia," therefore Rattlesnakes live in Asia, is like saying penguins live in the wilds of Nebraska, because they are birds and birds live in Nebraska.

The two plant species on Earth that are known as Poison Oak (Toxicodenron pubescens) and (T.diversilobum) only live in America. There are members of that plant Genus in parts of Asia, but they are known as Poison Ivy or Poison Sumacs and several other colorful local names. Poison Oak specifically does not exist in Afghanistan, regardless of what U.S. soldiers who are clearly not biologists were calling similar plants there.

Respect is earned not a given, regardless of age. A dumbass is a dumbass however old they may be.

I have never worked for a pest control company and do not live with mom, I work with animals professionally. 

Great to see your insight into this matter Mr. Petty thanks for enlightening us all with your vast knowledge, you deserve much respect.

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Bravo!. ...there's no substitute for knowledge

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12 years ago

I think Matt Houston's reply may give the answer for the rejection. If these names were only used in a briefing, it is almost certainly not an [Error in geography]

If it was usual for the forces to use these terms so the troops would better understand the dangers, It might not be an error at all, but if it is it would more likely be a Character Error .
 

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That is a solid logical point, in regards to using terminology in a briefing for soldiers that they could understand simply without further explanation, but they also show a live rattlesnake on screen briefly later in the film. This shows that it was not just for the soldier's understandings sake in the film, they actually believe these animals live in Asia in reality.

The film also conveys this misinformation to audiences in the real world without the context of, "it may be for a quicker explanation to troops to convey potentially dangerous organisms using incorrect terminology." I see it as an analogy to films always having a rattlesnake sound bite regardless of what kind of snake is shown, be it a cobra or whatever because that sound is associated with dangerous snakes.

To further complicate matters, they actually filmed the movie in New Mexico where rattlesnakes and poison oak are real potential hazards, so for the actors and film crew concerned this is an completely accurate briefing...however the snake has been tentatively I.D.d from the quick glimpse of it's head as an Eastern Diamondback which although large and impressive is certainly not native to New Mexico but much farther East.

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12 years ago

Gentlemen, I served in the middle east. I can promise in briefings we gave or received we never refered to snakes as rattlesnakes due to the fact that mostly everyone knows what a diamondback rattlesnake looks like. I'm pretty sure that big bastard in the movie was a diamondback. We did however refer to them as vipers or by there actual names. I can understand the poison oak issue bc most combatants couldnt tell you the differences between the different species of poisonous plants especially in that situation.
I did however catch the goofs about the snake. Some things in movies are for the public to understand.
This movie is no different.
Ive read the book. There are hollywoodisms.
Blackhawk down ive read the book and have met some of the guys and saw the making of the film. There are hollywoodisms.
We were soldiers same thing and ive met Ret Col Hal Moore hollywoodisms.
Lets dont get wrapped up around the snake and lose focus on what those Navy Seals and Army air crew gave their lives for.

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Well said...but I hope you haven't opened up a whole new can of worms about whether they are SEALs or more like sea lions...

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This is ridiculous. They did in fact in the movie refer to it as a rattlesnake. They also did in fact show a rattlesnake in the movie. There are no rattlesnakes in Afghanistan. It's this simple it's a movie goof!! There is nothing even to debate. Anyone who disagrees go back and watch the movie again .