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What about a situation where actors are credited on the opening credits of a TV show, but do not appear in an episode?

For months now, this has been a stumbling block in my attempts to fix mistakes on IMDb. 

And no solution seems forthcoming. 

For 17 years I've enjoyed updating the info on here. Now, it's almost impossible to fix anything. 

And sending a screen capture won't help because I need to prove that someone isn't in the episode. How do you prove someone isn't there with a picture? 

There's a real lack of common sense in the way the site operates now. A real determination to hold onto mistakes. 

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Riker: For the actors who are listed in the opening credits of a TV show but do not appear in an episode, have you submitted a (credit only) attribute? 

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@gromit82​ Yes. 

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@RikerDonegal​ Please post your last full data submission here on this message board. You can copy it out of the receipt you would have received from IMDb by e-mail immediately after sending it in. Some of the regulars on the board may review it and, if they can, they may provide suggestions as to how to improve the submission to get it included in the database. (Also, please include the submission reference number -- it's an 18-digit number that will look something like 220123-123456-789000.)

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@gromit82Is this what you mean? 

"The Sixth Sense" (1972) {Lady, Lady, Take My Life (#1.3)}

  • Cast - Delete
    • Name: Serling, Rod
      Character: Self
      Attribute: (uncredited)

#220328-010226-788000

And this was my explanation: “Serling does not appear anywhere in this episode, nor is he credited. I've recently watched it. The confusion arises because scenes from this episode were later edited into an episode a different series called Night Gallery which Serling hosted. But that was years later and has no connection with this series in general or this episode in specific. He doesn't appear. And he is not credited.”

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Riker: Thanks, your submission looks fine to me. You will probably have to wait for an IMDb staffer to see this thread and comment on the situation.

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@gromit82​ Cool. I'll wait. I have a lot of these, however. Both credited and uncredited. Is starting a fresh thread in here for each one the only viable way to get the IMDb entries corrected? I hope not. That's a lot of threads. I want to fix mistakes on the site but I'm not sure I have the time/energy/commitment to start a fresh thread for every one. 

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If he does not appear and is not credited, shouldn't the credit be deleted?

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0702174/

30 October 2021 - #211030-010829-777000

This was my comment. “Serling does not appear anywhere in this episode, nor is he credited. I've just watched it. The confusion arises because scenes from this episode were later edited into an episode a different series called Night Gallery which Serling hosted. But that was years later and has no connection with this series in general or this episode in specific. He doesn't appear. And he is not credited.”

My question: How do I prove Serling isn't in the episode? 

I've been told before to use screengrabs. How exactly would that work? Mike Farrell is in the episode. If I do a screengrab of Mike Farrell does that somehow prove that Rod Serling isn't in the episode?!! 

Somebody added his credit. And they obviously didn't have to prove he was in the episode. They just added him and it was fine. How does that work? 

It's apparently easy to add incorrect information but darn hard to remove it. 

Who is the person on the other end, and what exactly are they doing to verify our contributions? I mean, this information is available in several references books. The Tim Brooks/Earle Marsh Prime Time books, or Alex McNeil's Total Television. The Vincent Terrace books. It's not hard to verify this stuff if you really want to. 

I don't expect everyone to have the same DVDs as me, but come on! Meet us halfway. 

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled "Your contribution has been declined. We have been unable to verify your contribution."
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I would simply try again. Don't re-submit the same submission--create a whole new one. Then make sure you check its 'provide explanation' choice so you can write out your explanation. Be very clear that Serling's name should be deleted because he played no part in this episode, either as a character or host.

One caveat, since I'm not familiar with this show and therefore don't have firsthand knowledge, are you *sure* Serling wasn't just routinely credited? Or is it possible that the DVD you watched isn't the original? With all the editing and shuffling around these days, a version of an episode you see on one channel may not match the same episode on another channel--or DVD. The only DVDs that I [halfway] trust as original and intact are those marked 'official' or 'complete' or something to that effect.

One last thing: don't take it personally! I *know* how frustrating it is to take the time and effort to submit something, and then have it declined for no apparently valid reason. When that happens to me, I just re-submit it and try again. If I didn't provide an explanation the first time, I do then...and that usually solves the problem.

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@SoCalGrace​ Okay. Four points. 

1 - You said: make sure you check its 'provide explanation' choice so you can write out your explanation. 
1 - Did you not read my entire first paragraph? What did you think that text was? That's the text I used for the explanation part. I always provide a detailed explanation. Again, what did you think that was?

2 - You said: Be very clear that Serling's name should be deleted because he played no part in this episode, either as a character or host.
2 - My explanation says "Serling does not appear anywhere in this episode, nor is he credited." And, later: "He doesn't appear. And he is not credited." Is that not very clear? Again, my explanation said "Serling does not appear anywhere in this episode, nor is he credited." Honestly, I'm at a lost to figure out how that could be clearer. Really. I read it and re-read it and it seems pretty clear to me. He's not in the episode. He's just not there. Anywhere, anyhow. 

3 - You said: are you *sure* Serling wasn't just routinely credited? 
3 - Am I sure? You seriously mean that you think I could be watching this show and not notice Rod Serling or his credit? How is that even possible? Also, in that first paragraph of mine, I explained at length that "scenes from this episode were later edited into an episode a different series called Night Gallery which Serling hosted. But that was years later and has no connection with this series". Did you read that part? Again, I'm confused as how to impart this information in a clearer way. And even if you think I'm too stupid to understand whether or not Rod Serling is in an episode I've just watched, there is the matter of those reference books I mentioned in my post. I pointed out that "this information is available in several references books. The Tim Brooks/Earle Marsh Prime Time books, or Alex McNeil's Total Television. The Vincent Terrace books." I own copies of all those books. And there's a clear distinction in all of them between the two shows. Once with Rod Serling, and one without Rod Serling. Maybe those authors, like me, are easily befuddled and Rod Serling actually was in the show and they just didn't notice it somehow. 

4 - You said. "When that happens to me, I just re-submit it and try again."
4 - That's not the point, is it? Fixing glaring errors on the site shouldn't be a 50/50 roll of the dice affair. It should be consistent. Instead, I find that when I resubmit things they sometimes get accepted. Even though my submission is basically the same. Unlike you, I always provide a detail explanation. Always, always, always. Whether it works some of the time is not the point. There is a problem with the site if you have to do it this way. Why would you settle for less? You obviously care about accuracy and have yourself taken the time to make updates. That is great. Your contribution is vital. And as a regular user of the site I am so grateful to you (and people like you) for taking the time to do that. I value you. But IMDb clearly doesn't. Why doesn't that bother you more? 

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4 m ago

Hi RikerDonegal -

The episode credit for Rod Sterling has now been removed and the change should be live on the site shortly.

Cheers!