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Sunday, January 3rd, 2021 6:52 PM

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We Have Always Lived in the Castle needs better primary image

Currently, this photo is the primary image for We Have Always Lived in the Castle: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5952138/mediaviewer/rm1046237440/

Obviously, one of the following three posters would be much better:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5952138/mediaviewer/rm926596353/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5952138/mediaviewer/rm3715598337/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5952138/mediaviewer/rm433494785/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5952138/mediaviewer/rm1771267584/

I can't submit a request for this via the proper channels because "The existing primary has been provided by a studio partner and is not editable."

Therefore, I'd like to ask a staffer to fix this and, also, for IMDb to stop the nonsense of allowing people in the industry to use this database every which way they please, whether or not it hurts the (integrity of the) database. This being a database, you should not care about how people in the business feel about it. You should only care about creating an ever more complete, ever more correct, ever more up to date and ever more easy to use database. What you are currently doing, goes against this, and therefore is an insult to the database itself, but also its users and its contributors. The Contributors Charter speaks of the respect that should be given by all users and contributors, but why shouldn't IMDb and its staffers itself give respect to its users and contributors? 

(If this is a money issue, as might very well be the case, please treat us like the adults most of us are and just say so. It would still be very annoying to hear, but at least it makes it clear why parts of IMDb's policy are, well, let's just say, silly.)

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Which particular IMDb guideline is being violated, though?

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Why should the IMDb staff override the studio partner or otherwise forward our sound feedback to such a partner, over a matter so insignificant as the one at hand? Is there a precedent for it?

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Why should the IMDb staff override the studio partner

If a studio partner does something wrong or something that goes against the guidelines or against what IMDb wants, IMDb staff should override the studio partner. In this particular case, IMDb won't list the poster as the primary image while on almost all other titles that have images, IMDb *does* list the poster. Not very consistent.

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Sabotage? No such thing is occurring, and that is a rather serious accusation. Fighting words, very disrespectful. Regardless, I appreciate the answers to the questions. Wonderful.

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Thanks for the examples forthehorde. It gives me hope that this particular insignificant issue will get fixed as well and it suggests that even though IMDb is jumping through some hoops for people in the business (people buying their IMDb page, people having their birth name and/or aliases removed), they don't seem to be jumping through this one.

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Well, the whole point of Title Scorecard (or other programs of IMDb) is to provide filmmakers some control over the vanity of the title pages about their works. Sometimes, however, those pages are abandoned or at the very least neglected. If an image does not contradict a specific prohibition, which could probably get it removed altogether, why complain about a choice, so to speak, a "choice" that is essentially cosmetic even if it is not aligned with expectations?

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4 years ago

Hey - I fixed this poster. It's already live but let me know if anything changes and I can look into it further.

 

I've got a couple of comments on the discussion here. Firstly, please be civil and nice to one another. I know the anonymity of the internet allows for some more extreme behaviour but let's try to keep that off of here.

Second - IMDb Scorecard isn't a paid feature.

 

Third - The ability for Scorecard users to lock in posters is a great protection against fan art posters going live on top titles. We had an issue with this for Spider-Man Homecoming where the studio poster was not well-liked online and so a lot of people created what they thought were better ones and tried to replace the IMDb one.

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Hey all there's a few things here we need to discuss:

@forthehorde - the comments in question have since been deleted by the users so unfortunately I cannot share an example. 

@marco - WikiPedia and IMDb have different mission statements. Where they want to attach importance to whether something is covered on WikiPedia, IMDb doesn't discriminate and will list any eligible content. I'm sure many of us have sat down with friends and argued over drinks about who was and wasn't in something. How else would we find out that Daisy Ridley was in a short film for ASOS Africa https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8011500

If we start to discriminate and say people aren't important enough for IMDb we lose the history and the journey those people have been on. You may see what looks like a lot of issues, but trust me there are hundreds of thousands of submissions, credits and titles submitted to IMDb with no issues at all.

@Karen_P - I categorically disagree with your statement, and I think that honestly it's a lot of what is wrong with the way people communicate online. Walt Whitman wrote (and Ted Lasso quoted in my favourite series of 2020) "Be curious, not judgemental"

I see a lot of responses on Sprinklr (not singling anyone out) that are very judgemental, and I think on the whole we could do with a lot more empathy and curiosity.

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@Grayson Thanks for answering, I appreciate it very much.

That being said, being able to buy you're way into a database you wouldn't be able to get in for free is simply wrong. That is one of the points I tried to make in my message upthread. I personally don't have an IMDb page and I shouldn't have one. But if I give IMDb money, I will be able to get a name page and I will also turn up in search results for people with a name similar to mine and thereby cluttering the search results. Are you saying that my journey is interesting to people if I give money to IMDb and not interesting to people if I don't give IMDb money?

IMDb has always said it is a title-based database. So in order for a person to be eligible for a name page, this person should have worked on and/or be credited in a title that IMDb considers eligible. I think it's that simple. Obviously, given the current media/entertainment world with all its (online) platforms, it is sometimes debatable which title should or shouldn't be eligible, but that's a different and more nuanced matter.

 

(I know about the enormous amount of submissions that make it online without any problem in record time, but this issue is not about (specific) submissions but about policy.)

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The option of one being able to buy one's way into the listing often serves a function, though. That's is the case for agents, representatives, managers, executives and publicists, regardless of whether they have any IMDb title pages linked to their IMDb name pages. So, this is not inherently wrong. Where there is a problem is when somebody creates a new claimed IMDb name page through IMDbPro but somehow never winds up being associated/attached (in the context of IMDb records) with any other person, and also not with any company or any title, not even a casting breakdown. Maybe IMDb name pages having certain manners of composition should simply be excluded from the search results of the regular IMDb, outside of the submission interface and IMDbPro.