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War and Peace (1965), the Soviet version is listed twice

It's listed as both as a 7+ hour movie. Then, it appears it was chopped up and presented as four different movies. (War and Peace, Part I: Andrei Bolkonsky, War and Peace, Part II: Natasha Rostova, War and Peace, Part III: The Year 1812 and War and Peace, Part IV: Pierre Bezukhov.)

It appears the original release is the 7+ hour movie where it saw screened at the Moscow Film Festival in July of 1965. Part I wasn't released until 1966. Should the four individual movies be deleted (or merged into the 7+ hour one) since they all represent the same project?

Edit: Hrmm. The more I read on this the more confusing it becomes. It was filmed from 1962-1967 which means the completed version could not have been shown in 1965. However, it did with the 1968 Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film becoming the longest film to do so. So, it was considered a single film by the Academy.

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The link below says that it was ”released in four parts in 1966 and ’67”. But it could be that special screenings were held in some festivals. 

( I believe the shortened version was shown in some theatres in the US, and the 4-part version shown on TV. )

( https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6463-war-and-peace-saint-petersburg-fiddles-moscow-burns )

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@eboy​ 

I think it probably was released in 4 parts, but that may have only been a financial consideration to keep filming. This may be one of the cases where original release should be overruled by original intent. It definitely appeared to be intended to be a single film and that version did win an Oscar.

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Then again the Academy can’t really decide how the film was actually released in the Soviet Union, which, I guess, is what counts in IMDb. I guess in this case both ”versions” should stay in the database (for the time being, at least).

It’s not very unusual that the ”work print” or unfinished version is shown at the film festivals, or has some special screenings (before the wide release). So sometimes these festival screenings can be tricky. 

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I guess in this case both ”versions” should stay in the database.

I agree with this, I think it's best to leave it as it is. Title page for four parts should stay to represent original release and long one should be considered an exception because of Oscar win. I mean some exceptions for special cases are made all the time after all. (considering how old title pages are, I guess it was already considered by editors at the time)

Btw both Russian and English wiki says what was screened at Moscow Film Festival was first two parts only. They cite some books so most likely accurate (Russian language makes it hard to check cited sources)

Also Russian wikipedia has some more details, from what I understand, it says it was only a special screening to state officials at Moscow Film Festival (that first two parts)

One thing is clear, they were definitely released separately in four parts originally.

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Hi Adrian -

From my understanding, these are a series of titles that were filmed over a span of time and released individually in installments, up until a combined 7-hour compiled release around 1968 where they were recognized as a single title by the Academy?  Is this correct?

If this is the case, we would capture the original release in parts and list these titles as standalone films and the 7-hour film title listing should be removed. 

Can you confirm if the above is your same understanding based on your research?

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@Michelle​ 

It was shot, seemingly, as a single 7+ hour film. It appears to have been released in four parts, but maybe only in the Soviet Union. It would be odd to remove the Academy Award winning version from the database.

This is where "original release" may not be best indicator of what the movie is.

Also, I can find no information of what was screened at the 1965 Moscow Film Festival. Since shooting went on until 1967, it could not have been the entire movie but I also can't confirm it was just what is listed as the first part.

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