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Tuesday, December 29th, 2020 10:44 AM

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“Video” (V) tag

I think IMDb should get rid of that tag. It’s redundant now: pretty much all movies are going to be “straight-to-video”, since theaters are dying.

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4 years ago

I've noticed, in the case of independent movies (especially short ones), a lot of times where the direct-to-video indicator is (probably) supposed to be applied but hasn't been. Of course, there is the issue that sometimes we simply don't know whether a particular movie was originally published at a festival or online. So, maybe the direct-to-video indicator should really signify premiers in the form of "home release" physical media, like EM tapes and optical discs, even film stock.

We may also have to address the "(TV)" label. Seemingly it could primarily signify "made for television", but technicality suggests that it should refer to any movie that was originally published via broadcast/cable television even it had been shot and edited with the intention of being screened at cinemas.

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4 years ago

I wouldn't want to abolish the (V) label as to the past, even though we may want to re-think it for the future.

I do think it's meaningful to note that there were some film series which started out with theatrical films and then went direct-to-video for their sequels (or some of them); for example, American Pie (1999) had three theatrical sequels and five that went straight to video.

And some titles (for example, exercise videos) really could only have been made for video release and would never have been under consideration for theatrical presentation, so it makes sense to label them as direct-to-video titles.

Anyway, I hope that cinemas will indeed make a comeback in 2021 and the industry won't abandon the idea of theatrically releasing movies.

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4 years ago

pretty much all movies are going to be “straight-to-video”, since theaters are dying.

Why do you think this is the case? Obviously, there have been quite some titles that have been released online due to Covid-19, but also quite some titles (the new 007 flick for example) that will first be shown in theaters. And even though streaming services (such as Netflix, Disney+) will keep releasing films via their online platforms, there are no reasons to think people won't go to the cinema anymore. Also, there are films from streaming services that also get a cinema release (The Irishman comes to mind). I think it's too early to declare theaters dying.

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What? There are no reasons to think people won't go to the cinema anymore? Seriously? O, right, let us just totally ignore the possibility of cinemas being closed down by the force of law! I hope the situation at hand doesn't come to that, but such a thing is a real possibility even if the cumulative probability is currently now. We should all be keeping an eye out for public executives who have a penchant for getting carried away with quarantine proclamations.

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I wish I could, but in some ways, it wouldn't even be appropriate, because a tyrant or a coward is going to come to power, regardless of his or her partisan affiliation. The new politics of Michigan might have gone down differently had Rick Snyder not been branded as responsible for certain governmental faux pas. Worse yet, an entire philosophical idea in regards to civics was kind of hurt, in that quite possibly both public sector and private sector can be equally inept or corrupt. He was lucky to even come to power, seeing as how Michigan voters had for decades consistently declined to do more to vote out the two individuals who were United States senators from Michigan at the time.

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Hi Jeorj, I can't imagine the force of law being able to close down theaters in the majority of countries for a long amount of time (let's say more than six months). Currently in the country I live (the Netherlands) theaters are closed by law because of Covid-19, but this happened before in April or May or something and after that they opened again (edit: I even went to a film festival in October). I expect theaters in the Netherlands to be open again somewhere in February, or perhaps March. And then a lot of people will be going to the cinema again. I don't think the current situation will end cinema-going.

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Closing, reopening, closing again and then reopening again, so on and so forth, until there the case fatality rate (which the Democratic Party emphasizes) or the infection fatality rate (which the Republicans Party emphasizes), associated with one virus or another, is arbitrarily low enough; or until humanity actually develops a preparedness in regards to contagious respiratory diseases which have existed for eons. Prior to the outbreak, countless virologists expected the next superbug to be a strain of influenza, not coronaviruses. That's not even what matters here, though. There are complicated forces that determine whether or not the public officials will make drastic decisions "for the public good", regardless of understanding or expertise on what particular thing of which they are scared shitless. The bottom line is that entertainment often considered the farthest things from essential.

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I have to say I don't share your pessimism Jeorj. That said, given the current situation regarding Covid-19 in your country (based on your posts I assume you live in the USA, where more than 20 million people have been diagnosed with the disease and over 350,000 have died from it), I can understand you might be, let's say, a bit gloomy.

But, the USA is one country out of about 190 (and not the one with the biggest number of feature films made per year, I might add), so basing an opinion of a worldwide phenomenon (the possible death of cinema) on the situation in one single country, might not be the best predictor of the future.

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I only suggested lockdown or "quarantine" (even if not for a sound reason) as a highly-credible possibility, especially considering how we don't what new superbugs may emerge, be them in the coronavirus family, the influenza family or one the less likely ones. SARS-Cov-2 is likely to have successor (descendant) of some kind, but hopefully less deadly (slower to spread or slower to terminally wound). Some of the politicians don't care about how low the actual threat is, and they will order closures until they have nothing at all to point to as an excuse for it. If the trend of suspending cinemas (et al.) even if for only half of a year's time continues in the years to come, we may have an economic problem out of the ordinary. Some kind of massive stimulus would invariably be demanded (to restore the countless tiny companies that have gone out of business), but also the legislature of the United States would likely be deadlocked, especially considering that at no time during the outbreak did the federal government overall really push for any law or order that would suspend anybody's ability to turn a profit. This is always awkward when the federal government has to monetarily compensate citizens and people for the harms created by state governments, or vice versa.

By the way, the following is a little bit of information about the "United States of America" not ordinarily acknowledged in the media and which might conflict with what most schoolchildren are taught:

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When you stated "There are no reasons to think people won't go to the cinema anymore? Seriously?" I figured you meant to say that there are definitely reasons to think people won't go to the cinema anymore. I don't agree with that, that's all. But if you only meant to say that lock-downs and/or quarantines (can) happen, yeah, then we're in total agreement. And yes, these are of course hard on cinema's, but that doesn't mean all cinema's around the globe (which also includes countries with politicians that actually DO care about the people and the exact status of the virus, by the way) will shut their doors permanently in the next few years.

Cinema's have survived two world wars, the rise of television, the rise (and decline) of VHS + DVD, Britney Spears' Crossroads and the rise of streaming services. At this point, I see no reason to declare movie theaters dead or dying. That's all.

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People won't go if they can't go, regardless of the desire for it.

Except for massive numbers of specific individuals and some corporate entities, I'm not aware of anything that didn't survive the world wars, which did involve curfews, blackouts, rationing and destruction, sure. Just about everything rebounded, especially the human population figure. It doesn't mean anything for commercial auditoriums to have survived a war. As for VHS, optical discs and streaming services, none of these things ever deprived people of the very choice to go to the movies.

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4 years ago

We need new Title Type, maybe Home Release (HR), Video (V) is kinda archaic word and not suitable for recent titles.

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In the old fashioned terminology, "film" and "video" did refer to the physical medium (and technique), but over time, film has come to connote feature-length movies whereas video has come to connote short movies, even though there are plenty of short films and feature-length videos. The fact of whether or not a movie was distributed to and screened in cinema houses never necessarily had everything to do with the medium, except that most of them only used film stock as the playback medium, until the point in history whereby multiple playback media, including film stock, became normal.