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Undefined aka titles

Sometimes when a title is corrected the former title becomes an alternate title with an undefined country and attribute. When you try to correct one the form says to delete it and add a new item. However, the deletions are not being processed.

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190331-165545-981000

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Success! I think. I submitted a delete request on tt0871205 (Mr. Bean's Red Nose Day, or Police Station). My submission (200320-040054-020000) was to delete the AKA:

"Comic Relief: Police Station" (country=undefined)(attribute="new title") for the reason: "delete and will re-add with country". In this case there was no other AKA listed with that title already.

It was rejected as usual BUT the deletion happened! Somebody is perhaps doing something behind the scenes maybe? Or the editor changed his mind afterward...

I've now added the same AKA but with a country (and a different attribute), and it's been accepted already (fast).

But wait, there's more. I'm now in the process of changing the original title, and so far that's pending, BUT something is happening as I'm writing this: there's now ANOTHER undefined AKA that just got added! It's the new title from this pending original title change, with country undefined and with the attribute "alternative title". Yep, I mentioned this previously. This is what happens when you try to change the original title and it gets rejected (says pending still but it'll change to rejected in a moment).

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6 years ago

SOLUTION or WORKAROUND

Here's a temporary (possibly permanent) solution or at least a workaround to the problem of AKAs with no country set.

If you find an AKA without a country, check to see if that AKA title is already listed WITH a country. If you see it, then: IGNORE the AKA without a country.

If you don't see it, create a new AKA with the same title and set the proper country. This will be accepted fine. Then: IGNORE the AKA without a country.

Check the attributes for accuracy as well. For instance if the AKA with no country has an attribute that's different from another otherwise identical AKA, you may correct the attribute on the AKA with a country, or create another AKA with the same country but use the attribute of the bogus AKA without country.

In every case, don't bother to submit a deletion of the AKA without a country. It won't work and just wastes time.

A year ago there were over 4600 titles with bogus AKAs with no country set (according to earlier posts in this thread). Over 150 of those had popped up in just 2 months. The anomaly is still happening now a year later, their creation has not been solved, and the ones already in existence are still there which indicates their inability to be deleted has not been solved either. The total is probably around 5500 by now, and will continue to increase, and will NEVER get fixed, obviously judging by the many years this problem has been going on.

It doesn't prevent the creation of the correct AKA with the country set, so best idea is to ignore the problem. That seems to be what IMDb is doing.

By the way, while you're at it, looking in the AKA list, change all the AKAs with no attribute to the attribute "imdb display title", as long as you use that attribute only ONCE per country. If there are multiple AKAs with the same country, choose the one best-suited for the "imdb display title". IMDb likes this and encourages this now.

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I mean it's kind of a solution, but not really. IMDb shouldn't list exactly the same title twice: once correctly with the correct country and once with a bogus "unidentfied" field for country. It should only get listed once.

Frankly, imdb should've looked into this long time ago - this is a long overdue data enry issue.