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Trying to drop inaccurate History genre without success

I've been trying to remove the History genre from The Great Escape (1963), without success; although it's based on a true event (the keyword 'based-on-true-story' is present), too much has been fictionalized to meet the genre guideline - none of the character names are authentic, as they are mostly composites of different POWs or entirely created characters, and there are also a variety of other changes from the real events. This has all been well documented over the years in various sources, and the title didn't have the History genre listed for many years, likely for these reasons, but my repeated attempts to remove it again have been declined:

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Any staff help would be appreciated.

P.S. Now that I look a little wider, I note the large number of titles with the History genre that have only a passing resemblance to actual events, all the way down to pure legend with King Arthur (2004). This, of course, was one of the concerns when the History genre was approved years ago; period films are not necessarily History, even when they're inspired by true events.

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Hi @scgary66 -

I have resubmitted on your behalf and approved, if you have any other that is wrong and you would like to delete post this thread on the submitter comment.

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ Thanks! Another title where my deletion was rejected is Pearl Harbor (2001); although some of the supporting characters (notably FDR and Dorie Miller) were real people, the principal characters are all fictional, and it doesn't qualify as History any more than From Here to Eternity (1953) (or Titanic (1997)) would. My deletion for Braveheart (1995) was also rejected; in truth, very few factual details regarding William Wallace's life survive, and significant chunks of the plot are entirely impossible and fictional - I think Biography is a marginally acceptable genre, but History is not justified, especially since the genre guideline states: "If the focus is primarily on one person's life and character, rather than events of historical scope, use Biography instead". By that last standard, I also tried to remove History from Napoleon (2023) (also trying to drop Adventure), to leave just four genres on the title. Another rejection was The Monuments Men (2014); although George Clooney has stated that 80% of the plot is accurate, all of the character names were changed, and it's better viewed as being based on a true story than history. I'll see what else I can find, but those were the ones that were rejected.

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Hi @scgary66​ -

Thanks for reporting these additional titles, I have reviewed them and made the applicable genre changes.

Cheers!

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@Michelle​ Thanks again!

BTW, I tried to re-add Action as a genre for Titanic (1997), but it was declined (it was previously listed there). Given that it's listed for The Poseidon Adventure (1972) as well as other disaster movies including The Towering Inferno (1974), Earthquake (1974) and Twister (1996), what's the rationale for excluding it?

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@scgary66​ Hi!

Action is not an eligible genre for Titanic, it must contain numerous scenes where action is spectacular and usually destructive, we could say people are running and scared but not an actual action scene.

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@Bethanny​ Actually, that description seems to fit Titanic perfectly, as the last half of the movie is pretty much nonstop spectacular action and destruction; how is it different from the other disaster films? To list it simply as Drama Romance places it more in the territory of Now, Voyager (1942), Love Story (1970), Sense and Sensibility (1995) and The Notebook (2004). And I also think it would be hard to argue that a film with about a hundred stunt performers isn't an action movie. (Rotten Tomatoes calls it an "epic, action-packed romance".)

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@scgary66​ Hi! 

We appreciate your perspective, and while there are scenes in the film that contain moments of action the vast majority of the title consists dramatic scenes, as the genre listing is subjective, as per our guidelines, Titanic doesn't qualify as Action.

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ "Moments" of action? The last half is nonstop action. You still haven't explained how the film differs from the other disaster films which have the genre listed (as Titanic used to, for many years), or what all those stunt performers were apparently doing. (BTW, action and drama aren't exclusive, and can co-exist within a scene.) Your standard of numerous solely dramatic scenes would also exclude movies such as The Magnificent Seven (1960), Bullitt (1968), To Live and Die in L.A. (1985) and Heat (1995). I'll add that Airport (1970) is listed as Action, even though it arguably only has one scene with an explosion and one hard airplane landing. No car chases, no fight scenes.

BTW, I've also tried twice to get Romance removed from Driving Miss Daisy (1989), as it clearly depicts a (platonic) friendship, not a romance.

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Hi @scgary66​ -

My apologies for the delayed response.   I can confirm that the Romance genre has since been removed from "Driving Miss Daisy".  However, regarding "Titanic" we will not be listing the Action genre, while there are some scenes of action, it is not present throughout the entire film.  If you have identified other titles listed on the site with the Action genre incorrectly displayed, you are always welcome to submit a deletion request and our editors will review.