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Sat, Mar 7, 2020 4:19 PM

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Subjective Sexist Keywords

I anticipate that this will get "kickback" (ready, Ed Jones and other anti-metooers?), but sexist keywords should be unacceptable, especially since they are often synonyms for other acceptable and more prolific keywords.  

Please eliminate: "boobs," "jugs," "tits" as keywords.

Please eliminate such extremely  subjective keywords as "creamy-legs," "desirable-legs," "exquisite-legs," "hot-legs," "pretty-legs," sexy-legs," "slender-legs," "slim-legs," "thin-legs," etc.  Even "legs-to die-for."  (And NONE of these appear in any title with Betty Grable, who probably had the most famous legs in film history!)

Please eliminate such keywords as "babe" (with the understandable exception of "babe-scientist"), "chick" (unless it refers to a small, young bird-the-animal), "hottie," etc.

Most of these are references to people of the female gender.  There are, of course, some that refer to people of the male gender that should be equally unacceptable, i.e. "dick," "prick," etc. instead of "penis."

Resisters may long for "the good old days," but, especially in this "Harvey Weinstein" time, we need to be more cognizant of reality.  Until someone invents a real time machine, there is probably no other way to go back to the past.  We must live in the now and anticipate the future.

P.S. Do "creamy-legs" and "creamy-thighs" refer to skin tone or ejaculate?

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8 months ago

Pretty much agree with Bradley. But I believe IMDb kinda turns the blind eye when it comes to stuff like that. But then again the whole keyword section is a bit confusing to me since almost everything is accepted. So perhaps I just don’t ”get it”.

Similar thing with the Parental Guide, which often serves to a guide to find ”naked people” or scenes in movies. It kinda works in two ways: ”Beware, naked people!” Or ”Yummy. Naked people”.

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8 months ago

And here's one that is as bad as "legs-to-die-for": "nature's-gift-to-man"!

Come on, IMDb, act on this.  I submit deletions (which are accepted), and THEN they are reestablished!

I think there are only a few contributors causing this problem (including one who particularly seems to like Japanese schoolgirl films).

I don't mean to generalize, but they seem to come from an immature, stereotyped teenage boy attitude.  It's time to grow up.

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7 months ago

Hi Bradley,

Thanks for your message.

What you're asking for is a fairly substantial change to our policy so it isn't something I can just say "Yes I agree and we're adding X to the banned keywords list". This thread has started an internal dialogue on our keywords policy, which we will update you on when a decision is made.

However I will caution that I cannot give you any schedules or timeframes for when our decision will be made so I can only ask for your patience at this time.

Regards,

Grayson

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7 months ago

Thank you for the response.  It seems very reasonable.  Thanks.

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7 months ago

There may also be one or two technical issues involved with this problem.

As these keywords are deleted, they then reappear, almost instaneously.

Also, when entering a keyword search, some of the titles listed as having a keyword DO NOT, in fact, have that particular keyword in their keyword list.  Example: "creamy-legs" lists such titles as 
 
 Ocean's Eight (2018)

 Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets(2017)

 Road House (1989)

but their keyword lists DO NOT include that particular keyword.

Curious.


P.S. Other titles where this has often happened include Mean Girls (2004) and It's a Disaster (2012)

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7 months ago

Thankfully, "f##" and "n##" are NOT keywords, but why were "lesbo" and "dyke" acceptable?

Possibly the worst keyword emerging from this inquiry: "filthy-slut."

Oh, and there's also "harlot" and "wench" (very archaic) and "fluzzy" (apparently a misspelling of "floozy").

Misogyny seems rampant here. 

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7 months ago

Hey Bradley,

Thanks again for your responses.

We're still looking into this and I expect we may be for some time. You may notice I've edited your post to remove the words that we have already banned as keywords. I realise you put them in your post to make a point, but they're banned from IMDb so they're also banned from Get Satisfaction. I've left the other keywords so that they can be added to our investigation.

I would also say that you should consider that IMDb also lists adult titles, where keywords that might seem inappropriate can be very useful for the fans of those titles.

Regards,

Grayson

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7 months ago

I understand.  It seems, however, that Adult titles should follow the same guidelines when it comes to such sexist concerns.  "boobs," for example, should not be an acceptable keyword for Adult titles any more than it should not be acceptable for non-Adult titles.  To me, this is not about censorship, but about objectivity. That "##," however, may need to be used own some other words.

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7 months ago

Another aspect of this problem:

I suspect that these keywords are being added and re-added by just a few contributors (or staffers?).  Can those people somehow be contacted to be made aware of this problem (and this discussion)?

Here are two titles, for example, where keywords under discussion were added or re-added just today:

 Hotori no Sakuko (2013)

  Playboy: Sex on the Beach (1997 Video)


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Don't you have grandkids to play with, or something?

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You know nothing about my grandkids.

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7 months ago

While I agree with what you propose, I don't agree with your reason.

The keywords you mentioned in your original post should definitely be disallowed, because they are personal, or subjective as you say, not informative. "legs to die for" is no different than "oooh baby come to papa". It has no place on imdb.

On the other hand, if we start banning words just because they are (at the moment) sexist, or nasty, or tsk tsk words, where will it stop? The word "beautiful" may be considered sexist in 5 years. "Black man" may be considered racist in 5 years. Or even 5 days.

I'm sure even ordinary stuff like "fire" will be offensive to someone. There'll be some loser who'll want his 15 minutes and go "When I was a kid I was afraid of fires, and now I saw that ugly word on imdb. I'm traumatized."

People want to be offended, they're looking for ways to get offended, it must be the greatest satisfaction to feel victimized for these people. So let's keep the imdb out of it.