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Star Trek The Original Series Theme music credit

Someone has gone through most episodes of Star Trek The Original Series and altered the Theme Music credit for Alexander Courage by adding " , although it strongly resembles the main title music for 'Hollow Triumph (1948)' by Sol Kaplan Sung by Loulie Jean Norman". I cannot find any other source that backs this up, it appears to be someone's personal opinion. Is there a way to update all of the episode in bulk or do I need to submit a data change for every affected episode?

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Anyone who knows the Star Trek TOS theme would perk up when hearing the opening of Hollow Triumph. I'd say it's worth a trivia item. But not a soundtracks listing. (And the opening [of the film Hollow Triumph] has no singing on my copy.)

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Lots more information was on this thread.

Unfortunately, it was attached to a reply that was deleted by the author of the reply.

And that deletion removed content provided by other people as well.

Some sprinklr features have questionable results.

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I think I can re-construct some of what was said / decided from the email notifications I was receiving, though it doesn't seem to be complete.

My summary is:

Most of the discussion seemed to centre on how to credit Loulie Jean Norman, it seemed to settle on including it as a trivia item.

As for my original question, Theme Music soundtrack listing should only go to Alexander Courage as he is the only one listed in the credits. That seemed to match the standards for Soundtrack listings -- only what is in the movie/TV show credits, nothing more.

I feel like there was a little more regarding Ms. Norman but I can't find it in my emails.

Does that sound right? 

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That's the gist.

But specific links to justify a credit for Ms. Norman as performer on the Star Trek theme are gone. Hopefully that credit is still being pursued, at least at the series level.

She already has a trivia item about it.

bdoserror, 

Have you contributed removal request(s) for the soundtrack listings?

I see Ms. Norman still has 79 listed.

Do you need help with the labor of it?

Or are you hoping an IMDb staffer will come along and wipe them without contributions?

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I was waiting to see how the discussion panned out in case it affected the Theme music credits. I was hoping that IMDb had some sort of bulk update feature, but as it doesn't I can make those changes, probably in the next day or two.

As for the references, I did have those in the email as well:

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For the record, I submitted an update for this for the first episode I discovered it in, but it still is pending:
Submission 210216-023712-238000

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Ah, right. That submission removes the voice credit leaving the Theme music as credited to Alexander Courage.

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Update, that submission has been declined with the far-too-common (to me) "Unable to verify". One wonders where they were able to verify the change to add the extraneous credit in the first place.

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Above you described your submission as:

 removes the voice credit leaving the Theme music as credited to Alexander Courage

I thought the goal was to get rid of the Hollow Triumph annotation. Or the entire Soundtrack listing.

If the Soundtrack listing stays, then the singer should stay as well. And then there's no need to add her to the music department.

Could you post a screenshot of your contribution so we can also see what explanation you provided?

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@bderoes My goal was to credit the theme song as it is credited in the show, which is the policy for Soundtrack listing. So remove the singer and the Hollow Triumph annotation, leaving just Alexander Courage.

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/soundtracks/GKD97LHE9TQ49CZ7#


And now that I've re-read that section, I see that episode level soundtrack listings for things like the Theme should be removed, so I might try to do that instead.