"Raiders of the Lost Ark" title correction confusion

I tried to correct the display title for Raiders of the Lost Ark (currently Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark) and I was met with this:

The item you have submitted is exactly the same as a submission that you have already entered, which is still pending review by our staff.

I only submitted this once. No evidence that I did it twice appears in my contribution history.

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Could somebody please assist me?

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adrian

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5 years ago

That "alternate" title already exists so it won't let you add it again. The problem lies in the underlying "imdb display title" which is set to Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Since this is the title that most people know it by (and most people probably do think of this way even though it was released as a standalone movie with no thoughts of sequels) and not solely Raiders of the Lost Ark.

I'm ambivalent on which one IMDb should display. In reference view, you see both title.

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jeorj_euler

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I'm not sure about the bit that most people know the movie by the longer title that follows the pattern of the sequels and prequel. I own laser discs for the first three to be made/released of the Indiana Jones movies, and the title for the one in question is definitely only Raiders of the Lost Ark, both by title screen and box art. The point in time in which Lucasfilm started releasing the movie by its longer title must have been within the two decades. To my understanding, alternate titles carrying the IMDb display title attribute have to be official titles, meaning that they are expressed in the title screen, on a poster, box art or promotional materials. The same is true for other attributes, but certainly room has been made for alternate spellings, literal translations, transliterations and bowdlerization. There is even the working title attribute for the way a work was titled prior to its original release.

— Jeorj Euler, an IMDb regular registrant

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adrian

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The laser disc of Raiders of the Lost Ark was released in 1984 which is the same year that Temple of Doom was released. I'd say the renaming happened around that time. (Which incidentally is nearly 4 decades ago!)

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That underlined rule is not relevant. There is no "not following rules" here. Original title is already intact. That rule is about original titles.

Original/primary title and display title is not same thing.

Like mentioned by adrian, there is nothing wrong with what IMDb is doing. Adding to adrian's examples, even official lucas film site uses that name.

So everything looks to be in-line with display title and original title policies to me.

Also one can adjust their settings to only display original titles if they want.

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eboy

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”Original/primary title and display title is not same thing.”

Is this specifically mentioned in the guide? I mean as far as I know, ”on-screen” title takes the priority. But as we know, IMDb can make exceptions to their rules.

With the first Indiana Jones, I’m not sure that they thought about sequels or a franchise at that point. Hence, the name of the film was ”Raiders of the Lost Ark”. In my youth, we usually referred to the film with that name, not really with ”Indiana Jones”. It came later.

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Yes, we can say it's specifically mentioned by the part quoted by adrian above.

The thing is original title already stays intact, it's already displayed in title page always.

They are two different data types with two different definitions.

One is original title, other is an AKA entry with a specific attribute. Sometimes that AKA entry is deemed worthy to display in main pages in addition to the original title by IMDb because it's an AKA that reflects "primarily known title as in the locale". And that could easily be disabled from the settings.

Definition of the original title is the one in the above that mentions "on screen titles" and it already stays intact there in-line with that rule.

Definition of the imdb display title attribute is the one quoted by the adrian above, and that entry looks in-line with that definition considering every official media, streams etc.. all uses that title now.

I'm sure nobody was referring to the Star Trek as "The Original Series" in 1960s but it has the imdb display title entry now which is completely in-line with its definition and very useful. Again, this display behaviour can be disabled/changed from settings if anyone does not like it.

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Michelle

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Hi max_nunez_c1y6vogt0e5qi -

Just following up here to confirm that we now have the AKA title "Raiders of the Lost Ark" listed on the title page.

Cheers!

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Well, we were most concerned about the "IMDb display title" attribute assignment. Some people want to get rid of it so that the shorter original title is shown at the top of the title page.

— Jeorj Euler, an IMDb regular registrant

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