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" Please include evidence, or provide a URL" ... how appropriate is this?

How does one provide evidence for something spoken in a film's dialogue?

Recent rejection: 231013-035951-016000

A Midnight Dreary (12 October 2023)
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The Departed (2006) references
Referenced by name in the conversation between Frederick Usher and his wife regarding the difference between a mole and an informer.
Reason Unable to verify.

Your contribution has been declined. We have been unable to verify your contribution.

Unfortunately, we were unable to accept your submission as we were unable to verify the information provided.

If your submission was placed via the IMDb.com Desktop title or name page submission form, you now have an option to provide evidence with your additions, as well as corrections or deletions. Please go to your Contribution History, re-load the submission reference and tick the box “provide an explanation to assist in processing this submission” and “check these updates”. The field will become available in the submission form. Please include evidence, or provide a URL which contains supporting evidence within this field.

"We have been unable to verify your contribution." Is not the reason IMDb relies on user submissions is that it would take staff impossibly long to check every movie and every item of use which is relevant? I can see the use of screen grabs to verify  certain images in a film, but dialogue? Anyone who has seen the Mike Flanagan series will confirm the piece of dialogue mentioned above (it's quite extensive, and mentions the film title and several actors in it).  Why this lack of trust in the probity of contributors?

                                                                                                                                               hutch48

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Hi, hutch:

Try resubmitting the update providing this link: https://imgur.com/a/z5SFEfn (25 seconds clip)

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@ljdoncel​  Thanks, great idea! How did you ever do that? (I probably need an 8-year old child to explain it to me.)

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I just played that episode on Netflix, captured that short clip and uploaded it to a non-searchable link on Imgur.

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Hi @hutch48,

I can confirm that your contribution was declined as we were unable to verify the connection without evidence. However, I can see that evidence of the reference connection in two forms has been provided to this thread, in this case I would encourage you to resubmit your contribution with either form of evidence attached in the explanation box.

Alternatively, I can resubmit the declined submission on your behalf and approve it for you. Please confirm whether you have already resubmitted as suggested by @ljdoncel above and we can go from there.

Cheers!

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@Ozzy​  Thank you! By all means, re-submit on my behalf, while I ride off into the sunset. ("Who was that Masked Man?") Meanwhile, I will investigate these hitherto unimagined internet resources which could be very useful tools for future data submissions.

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@ljdoncel​  Aha! "captured that short clip" ... I had no idea that was possible. Single frames, yes. Can you give me a brief tutorial? Do I need software for that?

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Hi @hutch48,

I have resubmitted the contribution on your behalf and it has been approved. This update should appear live on the site shortly.

Cheers!

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@hutch48​ 

I use Camtasia Studio Recorder (within Camtasia), but I'm sure there are many free screen recorders out there.

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@ljdoncel​   Thank you, I must explore that! New toys!

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@Ozzy​  Thank you.

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How does one provide evidence for something spoken in a film's dialogue?

In this case it seems easy, since there are for example transcripts available.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/tv-series/fall-of-house-of-usher-s01e01-a-midnight-dreary-transcript/

Why this lack of trust in the probity of contributors?

The degree of trust you meet is partly based on your contribution record.

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@Peter_pbn​   Thanks, who'd have thunk it? But surely not all movies have been transscripted to the internet? And are these transcripts reliable? (I'm thinking of folks who transcribe the words of songs onto various sites ... sometimes they make hilarious mistakes. Mondigreens, anyone?) ("Jose, can you see by the dawn's early light ...")

"The degree of trust you meet is partly based on your contribution record." So am I to be considered a shifty, unreliable character, who can be counted upon for chaos and bad data? I have been on the site since 1999, and submitting data for nearly as long.

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@hutch48​ 

Not quite what I said.

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@Peter_pbn​  No, I understand. Sorry to seem so pettish; it probably came off as my feelings being hurt way more than they really were. It's just an annoyance. And I do appreciate the difference between credited and uncredited data; perhaps the latter needs a higher standard of proof.