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Once Upon A Time In The West

Hello,

that movie isn't anymore in the Top 250 English Movies because somebody put the tag "Spanish" in the language section.

This movie is made by an Italian director but is an English movies since everybody talks in English in this film.

Can you solve this thing so that movie can come back to that list?
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Since the release dates say the film came out in Italy first, I tend to think Italian should be listed as the primary language. This would match the fact that IMDb has chosen to list the Italian title as the primary title.

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I agree with @Karen_P's argument: a title's "primary version" should be its original language that was filmed (before alternate versions).  Regardless of how it's titled by IMDb, its primary version shouldn't be dictated by the first country where the title had limited release.  If Italian wasn't even an incidental language that's heard in the primary version, contributing Italian as a language is misleading to viewers who haven't seen the primary version.  (Keywords should be adequate to note that it's a spaghetti-western.)

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I am not sure if you have seen or read about these movies, but the usual story is that all dialogue was added in post-production and the actors spoke different languages during filming. So "original language that was filmed" has little meaning.

For instance, see IMDb trivia: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064116/trivia?item=tr2325598

I note that The Good, the Bad and the Ugly only has Italian listed as original language.

IMDb's language guidelines say, "Please note that this refers to the original release".

I hope this explains why I wrote as I did.

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(Sorry @Peter_pbn, I should have referred to the original language that was heard but my preference is moot because IMDb guidelines disagrees with me.  I just wish that IMDb isn't such a stickler with a title's provenance of original release.)

According to IMDb's language guidelines, "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" should list only Italian as its language because that's the language heard on its original release.  As a consumer (who hasn't viewed it and who uses IMDb to select titles for first viewing) though, I'm dissuaded from watching it based on its language on IMDb because I have a distaste for prolonged reading of subtitles.

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I am Italian .. I know the history of this movie. Italian movie shoot in English so it has to be in the English Movie List.

Don't try to think strange ideas why it's being delisted, it's a simple errore because the problem is the label. Same thing happpend last month with Toy Story that was listed as a Spanish movie because there was the Spanish tag in the languages section and came out of the chart for a couple weeks.

Hope staff can fix it soon

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Wouldn't changing the ORDER of Spanish in the list do the trick?

Making it 2, meaning it's used, but not primary?

BTW, I see the film as #48 on the top 250.

https://www.imdb.com/chart/top

But you're referring to this list?

https://www.imdb.com/chart/top-english-movies

(BTW, really annoying that coming at the Top 250 (all) from the title's page does NOT include the links to the language-special lists, but coming at it from the Menu does.)

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@Karen_P, I'm also curious when "order" has no info because many titles have no order for one of their data.  I'd assume that no order means <null> because it's similar to my complaint.  It's also interesting that contributors had ordered English and Italian as both #1.  Although I haven't watched this title, I assume that Italian wasn't a secondary language in its English version.

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The issue with a language without an order number appearing before languages with order numbers was previously discussed here, as honolulu mentioned. I also reported it earlier.

Contrary to what is said above, I don't think there is any Spanish in the English or Italian versions of Once Upon a Time in the West. There is no doubt a Spanish dub.

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Well, if it's in a film which is otherwise fully in Italian, there is really no question.