IMDb member since September 2000 Post Edited: Thu Feb 13 2014 00:12:55
After 2 months as an opt-in Beta trial and many improvements suggested by you, we are now ready to switch to our new system for suggesting names in the Update forms. We plan to switch this week.
E.g. when you're trying to add a "John Smith" filmography credit to a title and the system suggested a long list of possible matches, this change should display a much shorter list that's more likely to have the right match near the top.
The new system knows about common variants of names -- e.g. it knows that Jim might be the same person as James, but that when you enter "Ray Henderson", you probably don't mean "Hayley Henderson". It also knows about Name AKAs -- e.g. it knows that The Rock might be Dwayne Johnson (I).
It takes existing filmographies into account -- e.g. if you're adding a "Jack Black" credit to a 2006 film, you won't be shown "Jack Black (III)" who hasn't acted since 1958. And it knows about common career paths -- e.g. it knows that it's normal for a Cinematographer to have existing Camera Dept credits, but unusual for them to have Stunt credits.
Let us know what you think. We will be reviewing how well it works and plan to make further improvements in the coming months.
IMDb member since September 2000 Post Edited: Thu Jul 15 2010 12:42:27
I find it's creating more work, having to confirm the system's choices, then finding the correct person in a different job or under a nickname, etc. This new system probably works better for people who do not know what there are doing. It would be nice if the old way was left as an option for expert contributors.
Actorboy is right, experie,ced contributors should at least retain the option to use the old system, full options are the point of a system, guessing is NOT reliable, as it depends on shaky suppositions - e.g. 'hasn't acxted since' may be utterly wrong for decades
I've been beta-testing this since it began, and I find that it rarely offers a significant improvement over the old system. Yes, it's true that it's less cluttered. And, yes, it's true that it doesn't push fuzzy logic to the limits and pull up bizarre and laughable possible names. But, in my experience, the shorter list of possible names that it offers, more often than you'd hope, doesn't contain the correct name.
May I suggest, as have others on this thread, that you keep the old system available as an option for experienced contributors.
I prefer the old one. Since the option (for alternate names / or if the spelling is incorrect ) is not appearing anymore (in my case, it's no longer listing), there is a strong tendency that multiple entries for a name will be entered. Before when you misspelled a name like Susan Sayzon, the option Susing Sayson would usually appear. Now it is not the case. So, for some contributors who dont search for option, there is a possibility that they would submit the misspelled name. Just an observation.
Too much work. btw, I have tried to change my show's genre three times now. What's the problem over there?...and why can't we talk to a human? No contact info? Really frustrating...
IMDb member since August 2002 Post Edited: Fri Jul 16 2010 09:15:45
I would recommend adjusting the suggestions with regard to nicknames in quotation marks. I was attempting to add a person billed as "Chumlee" to a title and submitted him just as "Chumlee". The system came back with only one suggestion, someone named "Chuelee".
It turned out that the person I was looking for is listed in IMDb as Austin 'Chumlee' Russell.
IMDb member since April 2004 Post Edited: Sat Jul 17 2010 06:48:15
I just opted to created a new name with the next roman numeral along, but instead of doing that it has been submitted as a roman numeral-less name. So it looks like the bottom two buttons just do the same thing.
Edit: It seems to work ok adding a number (II) person but not on (III) and above.
Another problematic suggestion: I am adding a "Michael Dugan" as a co-executive producer to a TV series that debuted in 2010. The first suggestion that the new system gives me is Michael Dugan (II), who died in 2002.
I'm not really seeing much improvement.It hasn't given me any suggestions except for exact matches for multiple people with the same name and it still throws up people who haven't acted since 1960 for an episode shown in 2010 so I'm not sure what's changed there.
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All the information about you should be on a single page
What do you mean when you say "Jay Simon 3 does not exist"? There is only one credit for Jay Simon (III) at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4475245/. If that's you as well then that should be merged into Jay Simon (I)
So from what you say, you should merge Jay Simon (II), Jay Simon (III) & Jay Simon (V) into Jay Simon (I)
I don't like it at all. If you forget to change the gender of a person to female, you get no suggestions at all, and worse still if you are adding a Himself/Herself credit to someone who doesn't already have one, they don't appear on the suggestions! Yet anybody can appear as themself, whatever their main profession! I am glad I am one of those people who opens up a new window and meticulously researches all the options before adding someone, but I wonder how many other than very experienced contributors actually would do that...
IMDb member since April 2004 Post Edited: Sat Jul 17 2010 14:46:37
Yeah, it's important to be meticulous even with the ones that turn green aswell, particularly if they're in miscellaneous crew. I'd be in favour of something being added to be able to open links from them aswell instead of having to copy the name and paste it into an already opened tab.
But this current problem with new names is potentially disastrous because even experienced contributors could get caught by it without knowing, so what chance do occasional contributors have.
I have just added someone with the surname "Bennet" to a title's Thanks section. I received the "Sorry, no suggestions available." message. Upon opening a new window and typing the person into the standard IMDb search box, I was immediately given the same person, but with the surname "Bennett" as the first option. Not only that, but they were in the same Thanks section, and for the same series of videos.
I now believe this system to be not just fatally flawed, but completely unfit for purpose.
IMDb member since January 2003 Post Edited: Sat Jul 31 2010 09:46:59
I had nearly the same issue not long ago. I was entering a person's name which returned either none or one suggestion. I then searched for the name and found it with it having the same spelling of the name but with a middle initial.
I'm certain that the previous system would have suggested the name had it been available.
I understand the reason for hiding all of the "billions" of John Smith's but one time IMDb had put the wrong person in place which I have yet to correct.
Edit* - The name I was trying to add is: Kevin Kern
I was trying to add it to the Composer's Department which I now realize it was two results: Kern (I) (special effects) and Kern (II) (actor). I found Kevin M. Kern with one credit as a composer, sound, and music.
IMDb member since April 2004 Post Edited: Sat Jul 31 2010 12:03:39
It has problems with double barrel surnames aswell.
I was recently adding Rosie Swale Pope and Tara Palmer Tomkinson to a couple of titles and because I wasn't sure if they were hyphenated or not I put them in forwards and without the hyphen (as above). Now the old system would have found any existing entries and usually swapped round anything that needed swapping, but this system couldn't even find them.
Is anyone actually monitoring this thread to deal with these problems?
IMDb member since May 1999 Post Edited: Fri Oct 1 2010 11:45:56
I just added the name Michael Carraciolo to a title in the Camera department, and it came back with no suggestions. Upon typing the name into the normal search box, the first name that came up was Michael Caracciolo, also in the Camera department.
The only difference is two 'r's instead of two 'c's. Surely one of the tiniest differences there could possibly be, and this new system has no suggestions . . .
Also, Niel Brody came up with nothing, so I used my common sense, and indeed there is someone on here called Neil Brody . . .
It's useful ONLY when you find a match. If you don't, I find it unreliable and take the extra time to get the long list. I would suggest that you revert back to the long list if you do not find a good match. Otherwise it takes more time to submit data.
When listing aka's please list them in first name, lastname order, so it can be swiped and pasted in an as attribute. Ideally, even list the name as it would be used in an "as" attribute, and even include the "as" and the parentheses so it can be swiped and pasted without editing: "(as John Philip K. Sousa Sr.)" for example.
I am having a problem adding a Foundation to the "special thanks" listing. I am trying to list "The Long Island Film/TV Foundation [us]" and keep getting an error that it contains combinations of characters which are not permitted in IMDb names. They are not currently listed in the database and need to be added. Also, I'm confused by the lastname,firstname nomenclature when trying to list a company.
Just another 'nay' vote. I don't have anything more to offer than what has already been said, and I've experience pretty much all the same issues that have been raised.
I was adding a Camera Dept credit to a Matthew Broad, the correct person was a Matt Broad who at the time only had Cinematography credits. Matt Broad wasn't one of the suggestions it came up with even though Matthew Broad was already one of his akas.
IMDb member since December 2001 Post Edited: Sat Jul 24 2010 18:02:37
It takes existing filmographies into account -- e.g. if you're adding a "Jack Black" credit to a 2006 film, you won't be shown "Jack Black (III)" who hasn't acted since 1958.
It appears that the system isn't taking into consideration the (archive footage) attribute. If that attribute is present then there may very well be a 50 year gap between cast credits.
(Copying my post from a different thread: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/167308842?d=167330715&p=1 #167330715) - I tested submitting the name Norman Willis to the cast of a 2000 documentary, using character name = Himself and attribute = (archive footage). The system offered me only one option: Norman Willis (II) (who has cast credits from the 1980s-2000s). The system did not suggest Norman Willis (I) (who has cast credits from 1930s-1960s).
By the way, I was correcting credits from a Name page and checked the <Show name?> box so that I could move the credits to a different person. The name suggestions that came up via that method followed the old name suggestion system.
Hi My name is Daniel Georgiou, and i have been trying to add credits to my name for working on 2 films. However IMDB keeps saying that there is no daniel georgiou listed, and decides to use Daniel Georgiou (IV) which i find strange, as there are no other Daniel georgiou's in the database?? So i decide to use the IV daniel georgiou yet the credit still hasnt appeared??
Would you be able to clear this up for me please?
I've worked on:
John Carter of Mars as a Matchmove Artist: Double Negative
and
Captain America as a Matchmove Artist: Double Negative
Hi My name is Daniel Georgiou, and i have been trying to add credits to my name for working on 2 films. However IMDB keeps saying that there is no daniel georgiou listed, and decides to use Daniel Georgiou (IV) which i find strange, as there are no other Daniel georgiou's in the database??
Actually, this is an anomaly caused by the 'new, improved' Name Search.
There are no Daniel Georgious who have credits for work in the VFX department in the last decade or so; however, there are 3 name pages that have been created but currently have no credits at all: Daniel Georgiou (I) (imdb.com/name/nm4120269/) Daniel Georgiou (II) (imdb.com/name/nm4137222/) Daniel Georgiou (III) (imdb.com/name/nm4223771/) Because they don't have credits in the VFX department they don't show up in the list of possible matches when you try to add your credits in that department, and because they have no credits at all they don't show up in a standard name search.
Looking at the n-consts, these all appear to be relatively recent Name Pages. Have you tried several times over the last few months to submit these credits? If so, it is just possible that all three might be you.
So i decide to use the IV daniel georgiou yet the credit still hasnt appeared??
Would you be able to clear this up for me please?
I've worked on:
John Carter of Mars as a Matchmove Artist: Double Negative
and
Captain America as a Matchmove Artist: Double Negative
Assuming you meant the 2011 Captain America: The First Avenger, not the earlier Captain America films, both of these projects are high profile and still IN PRODUCTION (i.e. not released). IMDb credits are based on the on screen credit roll, and because no-one knows exactly who will be on it, they tend to be loathe to accept individual credits at this stage, preferring to keep to those submitted (either directly or in a press kit) from the Production company.
Because IMDb rules require that a person must have an on screen credit before any (uncredited) items can be accepted, they are even less likely to accept an individual credit for someone who does not yet have a Name Page.
Even if you have a contract that specifies an on screen credit, you cannot be certain that it will not be left off in error.
Finally, I mentioned these are high profile titles. Naturally people want to be linked to such projects, so, even apart from those who honestly believe they will be credited, IMDb has received credits in the past from people who knew they would not get such credits - and even from those who did not actually work on the submitted title - so they are doubly cautious on these titles. Another case of the dishonest making life harder for the honest.
I think it is unlikely you will be able to get these credits accepted before the titles are released and your name can be verified in the credit roll, or until IMDb receives a press kit containing the full credit list (which is unlikely to happen until just before the release).
Both of my credits have been approved, but now they are on separate "profiles" Daniel Georgiou (IV) and Daniel Georgiou (V) .. Quite annoying as they are both me. I've tried to correct both names as "Daniel Georgiou (I)" but it still hasn't updated. ah well.
A lot of Spanish and Italian last names have lower case letters and consist of more than one word. My first name is "Pablo". My last name is "Ponce de Leon", but the system doesn't cannot relate new credits with already existing ones and profile
Guys, if you can figure this one out, I'd appreciate. There lots of us latinos in this situation. To say a last name can't have lower case letters, is to say that if your name deviates from this norm, you either need to change your name or not participate. That's just a wee bit unfair in 2010.
And obviously I know that this is more about forms and databases, than about descrimination, so please fix the "no complicated latino names" bug, fellas! Thanks a bunch!
A lot of Spanish and Italian last names have lower case letters and consist of more than one word. My first name is "Pablo". My last name is "Ponce de Leon", but the system doesn't cannot relate new credits with already existing ones and profile
Guys, if you can figure this one out, I'd appreciate. There lots of us latinos in this situation. To say a last name can't have lower case letters, is to say that if your name deviates from this norm, you either need to change your name or not participate.
Actually, it is quite easy to adjust your name so that the system will see your family name as Ponce de Leon. The system allows you to have lower-case letters and to have multi-word names, but requires you to tell it specifically that this is what you need.
To correct your name, start at your name page (I am assuming that you are the Pablo Ponce de Leon listed at imdb.com/name/nm3712806/, currently listed with last name of Leon and first names Pablo Ponce de).
Click on the yellow Update button near the bottom of the page.
Select Add Correction from the drop-down menu beside Name Correction (the very first item). Click the Continue button at the bottom of the page.
Enter your name in Lastname, Firstname format (i.e. Ponce de Leon, Pablo). Enter the explanation: that your are this person, and are correcting your name so the First and Last Names are correct. (Do not check the box beside "update existing credits with 'as' attribute".) Click the Check these updates button.
The form should now be amber in colour, and you should see two warning messages. The first reads:
Part of this name starts with a lowercase letter. de should probably start with an upper case letter.
In your case, this is not true, so check the box beside Warning understood, go ahead anyway.
The second message is:
The name 'Ponce de Leon, Pablo' is not currently in the database. Did you mean one of these? We have these people with similar names :-
followed by a list of similar names. Since you are not any of these people, check the radio button beside the last option: This is a different person. Click the Re-check these updates button.
The background of the form should now be green. If it isn't, make the correction(s) indicated by the message(s).
When the form is green, click the Submit button.
The change will probably take about a week to be done, but may take longer. Note that credits may disappear for a day or two during the change, so don't worry if that happens.
IMDb allows correct versions of names, but defaults to the simplest, most common version (First Names plus single Last Name) if the name is not entered in the correct (Last Name, First Names) format.
Good luck.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestionsby pponcedeleon &n
Following up myself: When I tried it with a title in or near Frederick's current career range, I got her name as a suggestion. When I tried it with one a decade or more outside, I did not. So yeah, when there's a long gap, there's no match considered likely.
A. Edward Sutherland should be added to the screenplay section of "Secrets of the French Police", as uncredited. The 8/12/32 estimating script for the film lists Samuel Ornitz, Robert Tasker, and Edward Sutherland under "Screen Play". Donald Willis dcwillis9@yahoo.com
It does seem as though this new system causes more problems than it's solved. You get hardly any suggestions at all which can be very frustrating.I misentered 'Edge, Luisa Hastings' as 'Hastings-Edge, Luisa' and didn't get any suggestions at all.If I hadn't known for sure she had a page and gone looking for the correct parenthesis, I'd have submitted it as a new name.
I tried adding Annie Schilder to an episode and typing Anny Schilder only gave me this:
This credit has warnings, you must acknowledge each one before this credit will be accepted.
* The name 'Schilder, Anny' is not currently in the database.
We have recently changed the way we generate name suggestions. See the Contributors' Help announcement for more information or to report a problem. We have these suggestions :- Schiller, Anne (Miscellaneous Crew, Death Rituals (1997) (TV)) This is a different person not currently listed - create 'Schilder, Anny'. I am not sure - submit it as 'Schilder, Anny' and let IMDb staff decide.
Entering the name Le Blanc, Christian as it appeared in credits. Form suggested Christian Blanc, but not Christian LeBlanc. Seems like when the only difference between two names is the presence or absence of a space, it ought to be among the options.
The career gap warning that fired once I'd corrected the name may have been the culprit here. Something needs to be done to get that trap to recognize episode dates not just series dates for long-running TV series.
It certainly taxes your memory more does this system. I'd just entered Paula Simmons in the makeup dept for a title and nothing came up. In the credits they'd put her name as Paula but she was actually Pauline. I'm sure the old system would have suggested it but this didn't. It's a good job the name rang a bell.
A bad idea,even existing names doesn't work sometime (for example I tried to add now "Naruna Kaplan de Macedo" as an actress and because she doesn't have any other film in this section,it could find her) and I don't mention mispell,like Dany Niv instead of Danny Niv... So please,bring the old system back.
IMDb member since October 2000 Post Edited: Fri Sep 10 2010 14:07:11
The developers tell me that a number of the problems in this thread (though not all) have been fixed. (I'll note that some of the specific examples here no longer have problems because the names have added akas since they were reported; in all cases where I say something has been fixed, I mean that we have identified and fixed the root problem independent of any subsequent akas, or where not fixed, again we have identified the root problem.)
Christian Le Blanc -- fixed. Both issues have been fixed, the one with the additional space and the one with the episode date.
Luisa Hastings-Edge -- fixed. General issue with hyphens has now been fixed.
Rosie Swale Pope/Tara Palmer Tomkinson -- fixed. Same hyphen change as above.
Kevin M. Kern -- fixed. Changes to handle partial matches better.
(archive footage) issue -- fixed.
Gender issue (forgetting to choose "actress") -- fixed. For purposes of name selection, actor and actress are now considered compatible.
Roman numeral issue -- fixed. An explicitly selected new Roman should now make it all the way through the pipeline.
Chumlee -- partially fixed, partially as designed. In the past, entering Austin Russell would not have found Austin 'Chumlee' Russell. This has now been fixed (same issue as the Kevin Kern case). However, Chumlee will not be treated as an automatic aka (it has since been added for this name).
Susan Sayzon/Susing Sayson -- sorry, as designed. The names are too different.
Wallace: As designed -- no special treatment for animals.
Issues noted, but not fixed/implemented yet:
Dugan issue (death date check) Link to name page aka listing order Matt Broad Bennet Spanish/Italian name issues Babe Didrickson (Zaharias) Annie Schilder Paula Simmons
Pauline Frederick: I believe this is working as designed; see my new response near that issue. However, I'll confirm this.
Also, I don't think I mentioned it in this thread but did in the feedback request thread several times, names are still being listed in alphabetical order when they should be in numerical order (eg. currently a roman numeral of (IX) comes before (V) etc, when clearly 9 comes after 5).
I don't think the 10 year rule should apply to the Self section. With crew credits there is likely to be a relatively unbroken job history (unless the credits just haven't been entered), but with Self credits it depends on when they appear on tv and that might not be that often. I've just added a self credit for Ronald Graham (I) whose last self credit was back in 1993 so he didn't show up.
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The problem appears to be that there's an actual Nick Witchell entry in the database at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2560383/. Mind you, I'm not convinced that's a different person. I'm guessing that exact match, particularly combined with the aka, is masking things somehow.
IMDb member since April 2004 Post Edited: Mon Nov 8 2010 18:49:06
Yeah, you'd think that since it's also coming up with several Nick/Rick/Patrick Mitchells, that a Nicholas Witchell with an alternate name of Nick Witchell would appear in the suggestion list somewhere.
I agree that the two Witchells would appear to be the same person as the one that is the BBCs royal correspondent did once write a book on Loch Ness. However I will leave merging them for now as having them separate may help fix the issue with the name suggestions.
It seems ok, however, when entering a suffix to the name, such as Bradley James, IV it does not allow the name to end in an upper case letter... why not? This must be possible to enter the name properly, I just don't see how in the help topics.
The system does not seem to recognize if a person has a hyphenate in their name.
e.g. Joe Doe-Smith has a page
but when you put it in the name field of updating a title, it gives an error message that the name "is not currently in the database" regardless of putting as "Doe-Smith, Joe" or "Smith, Joe Doe"
The name in the database is Jamie, NOT Jaime Burton-Oare. When entered correctly, the warning message is about "first credit this section", not "name not in database". If you can locate the person in the database, you can enter their name constant, in this case nm1161188, in the form instead of the name, and avoid typo problems like this.
If staff doesn't catch this, and your update is accepted, you will be creating a new page in the database for Jaime Burton-Oare.
Cannot find credits for the Greek family that Leckie befriends in Australia. Claire van der Boom plays, Stella, the daughter. Who played the parents? None were listed. They were in episode #3..."Melbourne".
IMDb member since January 2001 Post Edited: Sat Nov 20 2010 19:25:25
The old system was better.
The new system does not offer up any suggestions, and when we let IMDB decide, they usually pick the wrong choice.
I can't tell you how many names I've corrected just because someone didn't bother to check which was the correct one.
I just had to type in Clement Moore's name on a "Night Before Christmas" entry, just to be able to search for the right Clement Moore, because the system kept acting as if he weren't in the database, and he was.
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That worked for me -- though I entered the incorrect name as a makeup artist on a title relatively near her existing filmography dates. If you don't do those two things, then you probably won't get suggestions.
This still isn't fixed! IMDb, I'd like an answer as to why this issue still isn't fixed. It has probably lead to a couple of thousand new names that aren't new. That's a terrible situation that needs attention!
I don't think this thread is monitored by staff since it doesn't have STAFF: on the front of it and was started by an ex-staff member. We're probably best creating a new thread and linking back to this one.
I just tried it, and still, typing André van den Hout doesn't give any results, not even André van der Hout! (note that both "van den" and "van der" are normal parts of Dutch last names)
Not sure why your results differ from mine, but when I enter André van den Hout in the search box I get André van der Hout as the second result, http://i.imgur.com/9nB2jsk.jpg. You said "typed". I copy/pasted the first attempt, so I retried it typing the name. Same result.
Might the problem be browser specific? I'm using the latest release of Firefox (45.0.2).
I guess I don't run into this problem since I plan out my updates in a text file which I then copy/paste item-by-item to the update form. I vet the names as I collect them and, when I match them to existing names, I include the name constant in my template. So it's the name constant I copy to the form, which bypasses the form's internal name matching (or as you demonstrate non-matching).
I added these two names to a talk show episode they were in, so the fact that they only had "self" credits should be a help rather than a disadvantage. Harry van Raaij even had "self" credits for the very talk show I tried to add him to!
IMDb member since May 2000 Post Edited: Fri Feb 11 2011 12:01:30
I'm adding a credit for the title Ankur (1974). Swadesh Paul is credited for "Dress", and I wanted to submit him in the Costume and Wardrobe Department, but upon trying Swadesh Paul, Swades Paul, Swodesh Paul and Swadesh Pau, it keeps saying that the name is currently not in the database, which is incorrect. It is: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1217534/.
The link you give is for Swadesh Pal, which is not one of the combinations you quote here.
Looking at this person's credits, he appears to have worked only as Assistant Director and Actor (with the Actor credits all being for films on which he was also working as AD). Are you certain that this is the same person as the Swadesh Paul who worked in the Costume Department on Ankur (The Seedling) (1974)?
If you are sure, you need to enter the name as Pal, Swadesh and include an attribute that shows how he was actually credited: (as Swadesh Paul) assuming you entered it correctly in your post here.
You can also enter the name as Swadesh Pal, and the system will switch it to the correct format for storage: Pal, Swadesh.
A final option for entry is to enter the n-const (in this case nm1217534) instead of the name, and the system will switch it to the correctly formatted name.
In all cases, the name that is entered must match the primary name - the one at the top of the Name Page - not an AKA. If the name shown on screen does not exactly match the Primary Name that needs to be shown by an (as ...) Attribute.
Note: If you do decide to enter this credit, you will get a warning message that this person has no credits in the Costume Department, and you will need to indicate that you know it is the same person. This is one of the reasons I asked if you were sure the credit is for this person.
Added in edit: I didn't notice the thread that you posted this in. My bad.
If you meant that when you entered Swadesh Paul, the system did not return the name Swadesh Pal, the reason is almost certainly because he has no credit in the Costume Department.
I think this is a major drawback to the system. People do often switch streams in their career. I know IMDb says indicating only those with credits in the section is an improvement, I don't think it makes sense to exclude people like this; surely it would make more sense to list near matches from the matching list (or lists - in this case Costume Department and Costume Directors) first, but then follow it with matches from other lists.
After using the the new system, I find that it needs more work. I tried to enter a name I had previously entered for two films and the name didn't come up as a choice. This came up in several occasions, so please go back to longer listing as it is more specific and having it change a name or where it should go is difficult.
I'm afraid my experience is the same as many other contributors'; the main result of the changes is that I now have to carry out additional manual searches on names I'm trying to add, because I can't be certain whether the name really doesn't exist yet in the database, or if the system is simply hiding it from me . I can't help concurring that in consequence spurious additional credits are likely to get created, since the default option to create a new person is still present, while an option to 'see additional matches' (say) isn't...
IMDb member since April 2004 Post Edited: Fri Apr 1 2011 18:25:51
Yeah, I think the point of the new suggestions was to save time, but in the same way as you I always do manual searches aswell because I don't trust the system to give me all the options, so as a result it ends up taking longer than it used to.
I was just adding a Danny Finkelstein to a title, and the person that I wanted didn't show up. It turned out to be Daniel Finkelstein but he did have Danny Finkelstein as an alternate name. Also on another title it didn't suggest Rob Sargent when Rob Sargeant was entered. So surely if the system worked right they should have been in the suggestion lists.
I'm trying to add credits for Bob Phillips (XII). He's a producer, but his earlier work as a Production Assistant for "In Melbourne Tonight (1957)" falls under Other Crew. I'm unable to submit because it keeps asking me if I'm sure the name is correct. "Bob Phillips (XII) does not have any existing credits in this section.", which is true, but how does one go about adding credits for a new section?
I'm trying to add credits for Bob Phillips (XII). He's a producer, but his earlier work as a Production Assistant for "In Melbourne Tonight (1957)" falls under Other Crew. I'm unable to submit because it keeps asking me if I'm sure the name is correct. "Bob Phillips (XII) does not have any existing credits in this section.", which is true, but how does one go about adding credits for a new section?
This is just a warning, not an error. It helps to reduce the number of credits assigned to the wrong person. It also will flag the submission so it gets routed to the New Names section for a further check.
When your enter the data you get the message
'Phillips, Bob (XII)' does not have any existing credits in this section. Are you sure this is the right person? We have these exact matches in this section :-
followed by a list of similar names that do have credits in this Section.
If you scroll to the bottom of this list, the third last option is
This is the first credit in this section for 'Phillips, Bob (XII)'.
Just check the radio button to the left of this phrase, and then click on Re-check these updates. The item should turn green, and the Submit button will appear.
Note that if you are submitting to multiple titles in one submission you will have to do this for each title. The system does not cross-check the various items in a submission.
Also, because this routes the submission through New Names, it will likely take an extra week in processing.
It's surely time they abandoned the New Name Suggestions or at least amend it.
The search it carries out should work the same way as the main search box does, cos that can easily find Terence Trent D'Arby if spelled differently / incorrectly. I'm always having to do separate searches for names cos I don't trust it to find the name I'm looking for.
It's surely time they abandoned the New Name Suggestions or at least amend it.
The search it carries out should work the same way as the main search box does, cos that can easily find Terence Trent D'Arby if spelled differently / incorrectly. I'm always having to do separate searches for names cos I don't trust it to find the name I'm looking for.
i agree with you in part.
Certainly the current system ignores far to many names; however, the idea of highlighting the most likely names (e.g. close match in same list) is a good one in my opinion.
My memory is a bit hazy, but I seem to recall that during the beta phase of the new system IMDb supplied two lists, the 'improved' one, and the older one that was basically the same as the main search. I really believe this dual system would be the best of both worlds. It would present the new contributor with the most likely names while allowing the more experienced to look deeper if required.
As I understand the theory it was that the less experienced person tended to just click the first match found often without checking too much. I assume the idea was to restrict the matches to the most likely and pass the duty on to the New Names Manager to do a deeper search if the match wasn't obvious. While the theory may have been reasonable, I don't think the reality has worked out so well.
Even if getting the full list required clicking another button (like the More... link at the bottom of the main search list when there are a lot of close matches), I think most Contributors would rejoice at the change.
Also the 10-15 year cut off should either be removed or extended as it isn't that good when you are adding people as archive footage.
I've recently added an archive footage credit to F1 driver James Hunt, and because he died in '93 he hasn't had any credits since, so doesn't show up in suggestions. And due to that 2 additional James Hunt's have been created because people couldn't see the main one.
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I would suggest tweaking the system as to how it deals with names containing "Jr." and "Sr."
Example: In the special effects department, I entered: Connie Brinks Jr.
The system gave me just one suggestion:
Brink, Connie (Special Effects, Gangs of New York (2002)) aka Brink Sr., Connie aka Brink Sr., Conrad F. aka Brink Sr., Conrad aka Brink, Connie F. aka Brink, Conrad F. aka Brink, Conrad aka Brinks, Conrad
It should not have offered me this name at all as a suggestion, because it has akas indicating it is Connie Brink Sr. when what I had entered was Jr.
The name I should have been offered is Conrad V. Brink Jr. (nm0109534).
It did not offer me that suggestion because I had mistakenly typed "Brinks" instead of "Brink". Ideally the system would have figured out what I really meant, but in this case, if it could not find the name I really wanted (i.e. Conrad V. Brink Jr.), then it would have been preferable to offer no suggestion at all.
Offering the suggestion of Conrad Brink Sr. here (when the name I entered contained "Jr.") could lead to incorrect data being entered.
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this issue. But I am an actor, director but am trying to add a visual effects credit on a film. The form is not allowing me to select Martin Malone Actor/Director but forces me to create a new Martin Malone.
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this issue. But I am an actor, director but am trying to add a visual effects credit on a film. The form is not allowing me to select Martin Malone Actor/Director but forces me to create a new Martin Malone.
Do not create a new name if it is for the same person.
The system does not prevent you from using the name currently on site; it simply makes it a little less simple because it won't do it automatically.
From what you have said, I assume that you are Martin Malone (II) (imdb.com/name/nm0540470/). If this is incorrect, adjust the following comments accordingly.
You simply need to enter the full name, including the Roman numeral identifier at the end (i.e. Malone, Martin (II)). On the next page you will get a warning message (which is why the name doesn't show up if you leave off the Roman numeral) that begins:
'Malone, Martin (II)' does not have any existing credits in this section. Are you sure this is the right person? We have these people with similar names in this section :-
followed by a list of alternate names. Since this is the person you mean, just check the radio button beside This is the first credit in this section for 'Malone, Martin (II)'. The next page should be green, and you will be able to submit the credit.
P.S. Instead of entering the full name (Malone, Martin (II)) you may if you want enter the n-const from the name page URL (nm0540470) in the name field. The system will replace it with the full name when you proceed.
P.P.S. IMDb used to use the same algorithm in the update system as they do in the search function, but apparently felt that too many people were clicking on a name without checking if it was the correct person. Therefore, they restricted the returned names to the most likely ones. Many contributors feel that, while the reason might be laudable, the implementation creates as many problems as it solves.
When I tried I got the result G. Pi, Mónica, which as gromit82 said is correct for the name Monica if the o has a grave accent, ó being one method used in HTML to encode the accented character.
(I have been unable to get the accented 'o' to display properly on this post - probably a code page mismatch.)
If that is what you get, accept it. If you are actually getting M@#$%^&&, it would appear to be a problem at your end, as I get the correct version.
Note: Please keep posts on this Board to one problem per thread and one thread per problem.
Paul Lee doesn't turn up anything despite there being more than 30 Paul Lee's on the system. It also seemed to take quite a while for it to tell me there weren't any aswell.
Putting 'Shepherd, Jean' in the Cast Additions box brings up Jean Shepherd (II) and (III) as choices, but not the one I needed: Jean Shepherd (I), narrator of A Christmas Story (1983).
The taking into account of existing filmographies is a good idea for countries where the database is quite complete, such as the U.S., but it can be problematic for countries such as Egypt where imdb still has a lot of movies with very little cast information included. Maybe for non-U.S. countries you could still display the person whose career appears to have ended a couple of decades earlier, but sort it lower in the list of findings and include a statement next to that name saying that the most recent credit was 1958 (or whatever)?
The changes to the fuzzy search are really problematic for me, due to the fact that most of the credits I add are for Egyptian movies. These credits are written in Arabic, which has its own alphabet, and there's more than one way to transliterate the Arabic alphabet into English. Before your change, the fuzzy search did a fantastic job of finding possible alternative spellings, making it easy for me to discover that the actor was already in the database, but spelled differently. Now, the search is failing to find/display the name even if it's already in the database but spelled differently.
For example, I wanted to add a credit for Abdel Fattah Qasri, so I entered him as "Qasri, Abdel Fattah". The fuzzy search did not turn up any "similar" names, and it asked if I wanted to add him as a new name to the database. So I opened a separate browser window and searched for him from the main imdb home page, and found him listed as Abdel Fatah el-Kasri. Your old search would almost certainly have found him without my having to use a separate browser window for the purpose.
I thought it might be helpful to provide an additional example of a case where I believe the old fuzzy search would have found/suggested the spelling for a person that's already in the database:
My Egyptian friend transliterated a film technician's name as Fekry Rostom. The input dialogue did not have any suggestions for me of names already found in the database. When I went to the imdb home page and searched on "Fekry Rostom", it found him already in the database spelled as "Fikry Roustom".
This is messing me up right now. I'm trying to fix a credit I had under Art Direction which should have been Assistant Director, but since I have a Cinematography credit it wont show my name in the search results. What a failure.
I am a first-time director, attempting to add my name to a high profile series. There seems to be a catch-22 situation here, name search won't find or add me unless I already have an IMDB directing credit!
It seems to be broken. I tried to update a listing for Michael Massee (Massee, Michael). When I clicked to check the updates it brought up three possible suggestions:
Massee, Michael (Actor, Se7en (1995)) aka Massey, Michael
This is a different person not currently listed - create 'Massee, Michael'.
I am not sure - submit it as 'Massee, Michael' and let IMDb staff decide.
I selected the first option, then clicked "re-check these updates" and it brought up the page to submit the updates (the box around Massee was green) so I clicked "Submit these Updates." But instead of submitting the updates it took me back to the suggestions screen. I tried selecting Massee again, then I tried selecting "I am not sure" and each time I get the green box, "Submit these Updates" then back to the suggestions screen.
Is it broken or is there some other box I was supposed to check?
Your problem has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread. This is about a software system within the submissions server that suggests other possible names to contributors when they are entering people. Any and all posts in this thread should be directly related to that system. Randomly replying to posts by staff members in hopes of getting a response is not the way to get your problem solved. IMDb manager nialltovery politely explained to you just above where to go and how to address your problem.
Take this to the IMDb Help Board at GetSatisfaction: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb. And remember, the general rule is one thread per problem and one problem per thread.
Now make a decision. Do you want to whine and complain, or do you want your problem solved?
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What a freaking nightmare.... I put in the name "Popp, Frank Jr." Many names come up, except the page for Frank Popp Jr. then when you type in "Popp, Frank", it says: We have these suggestions :-Popp Jr., Frank (Writer, Don't Call Me Bambino (2012) so I select that option and click "re-check these updates" it loads back to the same page where it inputs the name automatically as "Popp, Frank Jr." and doesn't recognize it.... what am I supposed to do???
To what title, and for what role or position are you trying to add Mr. Popp? I got as far as the submit button with a green background when attempting to add him as cast or miscellaneous crew on a random title. No problems.
The form will auto-correct your entry, Popp, Frank Jr., to the format used by the database, Popp Jr., Frank, (see /updates/guide/names_all#suffix) and informs you that it has done so with the following notice:
The following fixes have been applied automatically.
The name 'Popp, Frank Jr' has been converted to 'Popp Jr., Frank'
In my tests, along with that explanatory note I see the following:
We have these suggestions :- ○ Popp Jr., Frank (Writer, Don't Call Me Bambino (2012)) ○ This is a different person not currently listed - create 'Popp Jr., Frank (II)'. ○ I am not sure - submit it as 'Popp Jr., Frank' and let IMDb staff decide.
I tick the top choice, recheck, and if the name is being added to a department new to Mr. Popp's filmography, I get a yellow warning asking me it I have the right person and serving up a list of alternative names, at the bottom of which are these two lines:
○ This is the first credit in this section for 'Popp Jr., Frank'. ○ This is a different person not currently listed - create 'Popp Jr., Frank (II)'.
I tick that "This is the first credit in this section..." line, and recheck. At this point the form turns green and offers the submit button. Yes, the name has been converted to Popp Jr., Frank. That's how it's stored in the database, as can be verified by going to his name page, Frank Popp Jr., clicking the Edit page button, and scrolling to the bottom of the update page where this line appears:
Or go back to Popp Jr., Frank
Again, if you're seeing something different, please identify exactly where (title and role or position) that difference occurs.
"Rainer Steffen" and "Steffen, Rainer" are both references to the same thing
When names are displayed in the web interface they are shown as <given name(s)> <family name>. But in the database they are shown as <family name>, <given name(s)>. Note the comma when the family name is first.
If you search for Steffen, Rainer it will only offer you Rainer Steffen
If you make a submission for Rainer Steffen the submission will be changed to Steffen, Rainer. But that's quite normal because they are the same thing.
Now, I have another problem that I seem to be unable to resolve myself: I submitted a photo in mid December. This photo appears on my Profile page but does not appear on other pages (cast, list of characters).
Also, I might want to publish a different photo instead, but it seems impossible for me to upload any other pics.
What can I do about these issues, or is there a dedicated address to report them to?
One (presumably) simple one from within here that should have been fixed long ago is putting the names in numerical order (of their roman numerals) and not alphabetical order. eg. C might come before X alphabetically, but not in roman numberals.
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» Tue Jul 13 2010 04:03:03Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Post Edited: Thu Feb 13 2014 00:12:55
After 2 months as an opt-in Beta trial and many improvements suggested by you, we are now ready to switch to our new system for suggesting names in the Update forms. We plan to switch this week.
E.g. when you're trying to add a "John Smith" filmography credit to a title and the system suggested a long list of possible matches, this change should display a much shorter list that's more likely to have the right match near the top.
The new system knows about common variants of names -- e.g. it knows that Jim might be the same person as James, but that when you enter "Ray Henderson", you probably don't mean "Hayley Henderson". It also knows about Name AKAs -- e.g. it knows that The Rock might be Dwayne Johnson (I).
It takes existing filmographies into account -- e.g. if you're adding a "Jack Black" credit to a 2006 film, you won't be shown "Jack Black (III)" who hasn't acted since 1958. And it knows about common career paths -- e.g. it knows that it's normal for a Cinematographer to have existing Camera Dept credits, but unusual for them to have Stunt credits.
Let us know what you think. We will be reviewing how well it works and plan to make further improvements in the coming months.
Thanks,
Mark.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jul 15 2010 12:24:39Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2002
Post Edited: Thu Jul 15 2010 12:25:05
I feel bit iffy about this new system at the moment, but others can probably voice their opinions on it better than I can...
-Jeffrey
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jul 15 2010 12:36:21Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Post Edited: Thu Jul 15 2010 12:42:27
I find it's creating more work, having to confirm the system's choices, then finding the correct person in a different job or under a nickname, etc. This new system probably works better for people who do not know what there are doing. It would be nice if the old way was left as an option for expert contributors.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Nov 10 2012 03:54:35Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since November 2005
Actorboy is right, experie,ced contributors should at least retain the option to use the old system, full options are the point of a system, guessing is NOT reliable, as it depends on shaky suppositions - e.g. 'hasn't acxted since' may be utterly wrong for decades
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jul 15 2010 12:58:22Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2005
I've been beta-testing this since it began, and I find that it rarely offers a significant improvement over the old system. Yes, it's true that it's less cluttered. And, yes, it's true that it doesn't push fuzzy logic to the limits and pull up bizarre and laughable possible names. But, in my experience, the shorter list of possible names that it offers, more often than you'd hope, doesn't contain the correct name.
May I suggest, as have others on this thread, that you keep the old system available as an option for experienced contributors.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jul 15 2010 13:17:08Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 1999
I prefer the old one.
Since the option (for alternate names / or if the spelling is incorrect ) is not appearing anymore (in my case, it's no longer listing), there is a strong tendency that multiple entries for a name will be entered.
Before when you misspelled a name like Susan Sayzon, the option Susing Sayson would usually appear. Now it is not the case. So, for some contributors who dont search for option, there is a possibility that they would submit the misspelled name.
Just an observation.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jul 15 2010 14:31:25Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2003
Too much work. btw, I have tried to change my show's genre three times now. What's the problem over there?...and why can't we talk to a human? No contact info? Really frustrating...
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Fri Aug 6 2010 15:57:59Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2000
What you are submitting as a "genre" change is really a change in title type, and so needs to be sent with the subtype "Title (new/changed)".
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jul 15 2010 20:57:03Flag ▼ | Edit ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since August 2002
Post Edited: Fri Jul 16 2010 09:15:45
I would recommend adjusting the suggestions with regard to nicknames in quotation marks. I was attempting to add a person billed as "Chumlee" to a title and submitted him just as "Chumlee". The system came back with only one suggestion, someone named "Chuelee".
It turned out that the person I was looking for is listed in IMDb as Austin 'Chumlee' Russell.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Fri Jul 16 2010 18:16:19Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
Post Edited: Sat Jul 17 2010 06:48:15
I just opted to created a new name with the next roman numeral along, but instead of doing that it has been submitted as a roman numeral-less name. So it looks like the bottom two buttons just do the same thing.
Edit: It seems to work ok adding a number (II) person but not on (III) and above.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Fri Jul 16 2010 21:56:09Flag ▼ | Edit ▼ | Reply |
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Another problematic suggestion: I am adding a "Michael Dugan" as a co-executive producer to a TV series that debuted in 2010. The first suggestion that the new system gives me is Michael Dugan (II), who died in 2002.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Jul 17 2010 03:26:57Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since November 2006
I'm not really seeing much improvement.It hasn't given me any suggestions except for exact matches for multiple people with the same name and it still throws up people who haven't acted since 1960 for an episode shown in 2010 so I'm not sure what's changed there.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Aug 1 2012 23:39:41Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2000
This isn't really the right place for this query, it would have been better in a thread of its own. But now that it's here ...
You should merge the names that are you. Read http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?namemerge to see how to do it
All the information about you should be on a single page
What do you mean when you say "Jay Simon 3 does not exist"?
There is only one credit for Jay Simon (III) at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4475245/. If that's you as well then that should be merged into Jay Simon (I)
So from what you say, you should merge Jay Simon (II), Jay Simon (III) & Jay Simon (V) into Jay Simon (I)
Steve
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Jul 17 2010 13:43:30Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 1999
I don't like it at all. If you forget to change the gender of a person to female, you get no suggestions at all, and worse still if you are adding a Himself/Herself credit to someone who doesn't already have one, they don't appear on the suggestions! Yet anybody can appear as themself, whatever their main profession!
I am glad I am one of those people who opens up a new window and meticulously researches all the options before adding someone, but I wonder how many other than very experienced contributors actually would do that...
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Jul 17 2010 13:55:23Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
Post Edited: Sat Jul 17 2010 14:46:37
Yeah, it's important to be meticulous even with the ones that turn green aswell, particularly if they're in miscellaneous crew. I'd be in favour of something being added to be able to open links from them aswell instead of having to copy the name and paste it into an already opened tab.
But this current problem with new names is potentially disastrous because even experienced contributors could get caught by it without knowing, so what chance do occasional contributors have.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sun Jul 18 2010 13:35:17Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2003
Post Edited: Sun Jul 18 2010 13:36:14
I agree with the two postings above me. Please have the previous system returned in some fashion.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Jul 27 2010 11:33:24Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 1999
I have just added someone with the surname "Bennet" to a title's Thanks section. I received the "Sorry, no suggestions available." message. Upon opening a new window and typing the person into the standard IMDb search box, I was immediately given the same person, but with the surname "Bennett" as the first option. Not only that, but they were in the same Thanks section, and for the same series of videos.
I now believe this system to be not just fatally flawed, but completely unfit for purpose.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Jul 31 2010 09:23:02Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2003
Post Edited: Sat Jul 31 2010 09:46:59
I had nearly the same issue not long ago. I was entering a person's name which returned either none or one suggestion. I then searched for the name and found it with it having the same spelling of the name but with a middle initial.
I'm certain that the previous system would have suggested the name had it been available.
I understand the reason for hiding all of the "billions" of John Smith's but one time IMDb had put the wrong person in place which I have yet to correct.
Edit* - The name I was trying to add is: Kevin Kern
I was trying to add it to the Composer's Department which I now realize it was two results: Kern (I) (special effects) and Kern (II) (actor). I found Kevin M. Kern with one credit as a composer, sound, and music.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Jul 31 2010 12:01:33Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
Post Edited: Sat Jul 31 2010 12:03:39
It has problems with double barrel surnames aswell.
I was recently adding Rosie Swale Pope and Tara Palmer Tomkinson to a couple of titles and because I wasn't sure if they were hyphenated or not I put them in forwards and without the hyphen (as above). Now the old system would have found any existing entries and usually swapped round anything that needed swapping, but this system couldn't even find them.
Is anyone actually monitoring this thread to deal with these problems?
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Fri Oct 1 2010 11:26:33Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Post Edited: Fri Oct 1 2010 11:45:56
I just added the name Michael Carraciolo to a title in the Camera department, and it came back with no suggestions. Upon typing the name into the normal search box, the first name that came up was Michael Caracciolo, also in the Camera department.
The only difference is two 'r's instead of two 'c's. Surely one of the tiniest differences there could possibly be, and this new system has no suggestions . . .
Also, Niel Brody came up with nothing, so I used my common sense, and indeed there is someone on here called Neil Brody . . .
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Jul 19 2010 11:01:08Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2000
It's useful ONLY when you find a match. If you don't, I find it unreliable and take the extra time to get the long list. I would suggest that you revert back to the long list if you do not find a good match. Otherwise it takes more time to submit data.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Jul 19 2010 11:10:22Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2000
When listing aka's please list them in first name, lastname order, so it can be swiped and pasted in an as attribute. Ideally, even list the name as it would be used in an "as" attribute, and even include the "as" and the parentheses so it can be swiped and pasted without editing: "(as John Philip K. Sousa Sr.)" for example.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Jul 21 2010 07:39:04Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2000
I am having a problem adding a Foundation to the "special thanks" listing. I am trying to list "The Long Island Film/TV Foundation [us]" and keep getting an error that it contains combinations of characters which are not permitted in IMDb names. They are not currently listed in the database and need to be added. Also, I'm confused by the lastname,firstname nomenclature when trying to list a company.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Jul 21 2010 08:31:19Flag ▼ | Edit ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since August 2002
I believe the way to do this is to submit the company to the "Miscellaneous Companies" section with "special thanks" as its role within that section.
When you do that, you will be able to just enter the company's name in the regular way (not reversing the name), and it should be accepted.
I hope this helps. Good luck!
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jul 22 2010 06:25:53Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since November 1999
Just another 'nay' vote. I don't have anything more to offer than what has already been said, and I've experience pretty much all the same issues that have been raised.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Jul 24 2010 16:38:14Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
I was adding a Camera Dept credit to a Matthew Broad, the correct person was a Matt Broad who at the time only had Cinematography credits. Matt Broad wasn't one of the suggestions it came up with even though Matthew Broad was already one of his akas.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Jul 24 2010 17:57:22Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since December 2001
Post Edited: Sat Jul 24 2010 18:02:37
It appears that the system isn't taking into consideration the (archive footage) attribute. If that attribute is present then there may very well be a 50 year gap between cast credits.
(Copying my post from a different thread: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/167308842?d=167330715&p=1 #167330715) -
I tested submitting the name Norman Willis to the cast of a 2000 documentary, using character name = Himself and attribute = (archive footage). The system offered me only one option: Norman Willis (II) (who has cast credits from the 1980s-2000s). The system did not suggest Norman Willis (I) (who has cast credits from 1930s-1960s).
By the way, I was correcting credits from a Name page and checked the <Show name?> box so that I could move the credits to a different person. The name suggestions that came up via that method followed the old name suggestion system.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sun Jan 16 2011 02:39:32Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2010
Hi My name is Daniel Georgiou, and i have been trying to add credits to my name for working on 2 films. However IMDB keeps saying that there is no daniel georgiou listed, and decides to use Daniel Georgiou (IV) which i find strange, as there are no other Daniel georgiou's in the database?? So i decide to use the IV daniel georgiou yet the credit still hasnt appeared??
Would you be able to clear this up for me please?
I've worked on:
John Carter of Mars as a Matchmove Artist: Double Negative
and
Captain America as a Matchmove Artist: Double Negative
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sun Jan 16 2011 12:27:15Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 2000
Actually, this is an anomaly caused by the 'new, improved' Name Search.
There are no Daniel Georgious who have credits for work in the VFX department in the last decade or so; however, there are 3 name pages that have been created but currently have no credits at all:
Daniel Georgiou (I) (imdb.com/name/nm4120269/)
Daniel Georgiou (II) (imdb.com/name/nm4137222/)
Daniel Georgiou (III) (imdb.com/name/nm4223771/)
Because they don't have credits in the VFX department they don't show up in the list of possible matches when you try to add your credits in that department, and because they have no credits at all they don't show up in a standard name search.
Looking at the n-consts, these all appear to be relatively recent Name Pages. Have you tried several times over the last few months to submit these credits? If so, it is just possible that all three might be you.
Assuming you meant the 2011 Captain America: The First Avenger, not the earlier Captain America films, both of these projects are high profile and still IN PRODUCTION (i.e. not released). IMDb credits are based on the on screen credit roll, and because no-one knows exactly who will be on it, they tend to be loathe to accept individual credits at this stage, preferring to keep to those submitted (either directly or in a press kit) from the Production company.
Because IMDb rules require that a person must have an on screen credit before any (uncredited) items can be accepted, they are even less likely to accept an individual credit for someone who does not yet have a Name Page.
Even if you have a contract that specifies an on screen credit, you cannot be certain that it will not be left off in error.
Finally, I mentioned these are high profile titles. Naturally people want to be linked to such projects, so, even apart from those who honestly believe they will be credited, IMDb has received credits in the past from people who knew they would not get such credits - and even from those who did not actually work on the submitted title - so they are doubly cautious on these titles. Another case of the dishonest making life harder for the honest.
I think it is unlikely you will be able to get these credits accepted before the titles are released and your name can be verified in the credit roll, or until IMDb receives a press kit containing the full credit list (which is unlikely to happen until just before the release).
Sorry.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Feb 21 2011 08:08:18Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Both of my credits have been approved, but now they are on separate "profiles"
Daniel Georgiou (IV) and Daniel Georgiou (V) .. Quite annoying as they are both me. I've tried to correct both names as "Daniel Georgiou (I)" but it still hasn't updated. ah well.
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» Mon Jul 26 2010 06:42:20Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2009
Hmm, so now putting in a special thanks to a company or business that helped out the company name comes out backwards :S
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Jul 26 2010 07:35:35Flag ▼ | Reply |
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I haven't had that problem. Put the company in Miscellaneous Companies and you shouldn't have that issue.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Aug 12 2010 12:36:45Flag ▼ | Reply |
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A lot of Spanish and Italian last names have lower case letters and consist of more than one word. My first name is "Pablo". My last name is "Ponce de Leon", but the system doesn't cannot relate new credits with already existing ones and profile
Guys, if you can figure this one out, I'd appreciate. There lots of us latinos in this situation. To say a last name can't have lower case letters, is to say that if your name deviates from this norm, you either need to change your name or not participate. That's just a wee bit unfair in 2010.
And obviously I know that this is more about forms and databases, than about descrimination, so please fix the "no complicated latino names" bug, fellas! Thanks a bunch!
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Aug 12 2010 13:38:36Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Actually, it is quite easy to adjust your name so that the system will see your family name as Ponce de Leon. The system allows you to have lower-case letters and to have multi-word names, but requires you to tell it specifically that this is what you need.
To correct your name, start at your name page (I am assuming that you are the Pablo Ponce de Leon listed at imdb.com/name/nm3712806/, currently listed with last name of Leon and first names Pablo Ponce de).
Click on the yellow Update button near the bottom of the page.
Select Add Correction from the drop-down menu beside Name Correction (the very first item).
Click the Continue button at the bottom of the page.
Enter your name in Lastname, Firstname format (i.e. Ponce de Leon, Pablo).
Enter the explanation: that your are this person, and are correcting your name so the First and Last Names are correct.
(Do not check the box beside "update existing credits with 'as' attribute".)
Click the Check these updates button.
The form should now be amber in colour, and you should see two warning messages.
The first reads:In your case, this is not true, so check the box beside Warning understood, go ahead anyway.
The second message is:followed by a list of similar names.
Since you are not any of these people, check the radio button beside the last option: This is a different person.
Click the Re-check these updates button.
The background of the form should now be green. If it isn't, make the correction(s) indicated by the message(s).
When the form is green, click the Submit button.
The change will probably take about a week to be done, but may take longer. Note that credits may disappear for a day or two during the change, so don't worry if that happens.
IMDb allows correct versions of names, but defaults to the simplest, most common version (First Names plus single Last Name) if the name is not entered in the correct (Last Name, First Names) format.
Good luck.
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» Fri Sep 10 2010 14:05:56Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Following up myself: When I tried it with a title in or near Frederick's current career range, I got her name as a suggestion. When I tried it with one a decade or more outside, I did not. So yeah, when there's a long gap, there's no match considered likely.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sun Aug 29 2010 10:28:33Flag ▼ | Reply |
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A. Edward Sutherland should be added to the screenplay section of "Secrets of the French Police", as uncredited. The 8/12/32 estimating script for the film lists Samuel Ornitz, Robert Tasker, and Edward Sutherland under "Screen Play".
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Aug 30 2010 11:33:15Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since November 2006
It does seem as though this new system causes more problems than it's solved. You get hardly any suggestions at all which can be very frustrating.I misentered 'Edge, Luisa Hastings' as 'Hastings-Edge, Luisa' and didn't get any suggestions at all.If I hadn't known for sure she had a page and gone looking for the correct parenthesis, I'd have submitted it as a new name.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Sep 1 2010 06:09:34Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
I tried adding Annie Schilder to an episode and typing Anny Schilder only gave me this:
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Sep 6 2010 15:21:05Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2004
Entering the name Le Blanc, Christian as it appeared in credits. Form suggested Christian Blanc, but not Christian LeBlanc. Seems like when the only difference between two names is the presence or absence of a space, it ought to be among the options.
The career gap warning that fired once I'd corrected the name may have been the culprit here. Something needs to be done to get that trap to recognize episode dates not just series dates for long-running TV series.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Sep 6 2010 15:30:55Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
It certainly taxes your memory more does this system. I'd just entered Paula Simmons in the makeup dept for a title and nothing came up. In the credits they'd put her name as Paula but she was actually Pauline. I'm sure the old system would have suggested it but this didn't. It's a good job the name rang a bell.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Fri Sep 10 2010 12:12:38Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2005
A bad idea,even existing names doesn't work sometime (for example I tried to add now "Naruna Kaplan de Macedo" as an actress and because she doesn't have any other film in this section,it could find her) and I don't mention mispell,like Dany Niv instead of Danny Niv...
So please,bring the old system back.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Fri Sep 10 2010 13:56:08Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Post Edited: Fri Sep 10 2010 14:07:11
The developers tell me that a number of the problems in this thread (though not all) have been fixed. (I'll note that some of the specific examples here no longer have problems because the names have added akas since they were reported; in all cases where I say something has been fixed, I mean that we have identified and fixed the root problem independent of any subsequent akas, or where not fixed, again we have identified the root problem.)
Christian Le Blanc -- fixed. Both issues have been fixed, the one with the additional space and the one with the episode date.
Luisa Hastings-Edge -- fixed. General issue with hyphens has now been fixed.
Rosie Swale Pope/Tara Palmer Tomkinson -- fixed. Same hyphen change as above.
Kevin M. Kern -- fixed. Changes to handle partial matches better.
(archive footage) issue -- fixed.
Gender issue (forgetting to choose "actress") -- fixed. For purposes of name selection, actor and actress are now considered compatible.
Roman numeral issue -- fixed. An explicitly selected new Roman should now make it all the way through the pipeline.
Chumlee -- partially fixed, partially as designed. In the past, entering Austin Russell would not have found Austin 'Chumlee' Russell. This has now been fixed (same issue as the Kevin Kern case). However, Chumlee will not be treated as an automatic aka (it has since been added for this name).
Susan Sayzon/Susing Sayson -- sorry, as designed. The names are too different.
Wallace: As designed -- no special treatment for animals.
Issues noted, but not fixed/implemented yet:
Dugan issue (death date check)
Link to name page
aka listing order
Matt Broad
Bennet
Spanish/Italian name issues
Babe Didrickson (Zaharias)
Annie Schilder
Paula Simmons
Pauline Frederick: I believe this is working as designed; see my new response near that issue. However, I'll confirm this.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Fri Sep 10 2010 14:23:25Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Also, I don't think I mentioned it in this thread but did in the feedback request thread several times, names are still being listed in alphabetical order when they should be in numerical order (eg. currently a roman numeral of (IX) comes before (V) etc, when clearly 9 comes after 5).
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Sep 25 2010 05:43:27Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
I don't think the 10 year rule should apply to the Self section. With crew credits there is likely to be a relatively unbroken job history (unless the credits just haven't been entered), but with Self credits it depends on when they appear on tv and that might not be that often. I've just added a self credit for Ronald Graham (I) whose last self credit was back in 1993 so he didn't show up.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Nov 2 2010 04:39:10Flag ▼ | Reply |
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I entered the name Nick Witchell, and the name Nicholas Witchell (which already has an alternate name of Nick Witchell) wasn't suggested.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Nov 8 2010 18:06:22Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2000
The problem appears to be that there's an actual Nick Witchell entry in the database at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2560383/. Mind you, I'm not convinced that's a different person. I'm guessing that exact match, particularly combined with the aka, is masking things somehow.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Nov 8 2010 18:30:25Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Post Edited: Mon Nov 8 2010 18:49:06
Yeah, you'd think that since it's also coming up with several Nick/Rick/Patrick Mitchells, that a Nicholas Witchell with an alternate name of Nick Witchell would appear in the suggestion list somewhere.
I agree that the two Witchells would appear to be the same person as the one that is the BBCs royal correspondent did once write a book on Loch Ness. However I will leave merging them for now as having them separate may help fix the issue with the name suggestions.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Sep 28 2010 15:35:50Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2007
It seems ok, however, when entering a suffix to the name, such as Bradley James, IV it does not allow the name to end in an upper case letter... why not? This must be possible to enter the name properly, I just don't see how in the help topics.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Sep 28 2010 15:58:05Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since December 2001
The name should either be formatted as Bradley James IV (with no comma) or James IV, Bradley.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Nov 1 2010 21:57:38Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2010
The system does not seem to recognize if a person has a hyphenate in their name.
e.g. Joe Doe-Smith
has a page
but when you put it in the name field of updating a title, it gives an error message that the name "is not currently in the database" regardless of putting as "Doe-Smith, Joe" or "Smith, Joe Doe"
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Nov 1 2010 22:23:23Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2004
Not seeing this behavior in random tests. What name / position / title are you having a problem updating?
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Nov 1 2010 23:07:13Flag ▼ | Reply |
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http://pro.imdb.com/name/nm1161188/
casting assistant
http://pro.imdb.com/title/tt1754225/
So, it the name was submitted as: Burton-Oare, Jaime attn imdb http://pro.imdb.com/name/nm1161188/
Then the button was selected for: leave it to imdb editors to decide
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Nov 2 2010 00:03:09Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2004
The name in the database is Jamie, NOT Jaime Burton-Oare. When entered correctly, the warning message is about "first credit this section", not "name not in database". If you can locate the person in the database, you can enter their name constant, in this case nm1161188, in the form instead of the name, and avoid typo problems like this.
If staff doesn't catch this, and your update is accepted, you will be creating a new page in the database for Jaime Burton-Oare.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Nov 2 2010 00:18:14Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2010
Apparently the name was misspelled in the film credits.
Thanks for checking and thanks for the tip.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Nov 13 2010 13:02:51Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Cannot find credits for the Greek family that Leckie befriends in Australia. Claire van der Boom plays, Stella, the daughter. Who played the parents? None were listed. They were in episode #3..."Melbourne".
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Nov 20 2010 19:23:12Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Post Edited: Sat Nov 20 2010 19:25:25
The old system was better.
The new system does not offer up any suggestions, and when we let IMDB decide, they usually pick the wrong choice.
I can't tell you how many names I've corrected just because someone didn't bother to check which was the correct one.
I just had to type in Clement Moore's name on a "Night Before Christmas" entry, just to be able to search for the right Clement Moore, because the system kept acting as if he weren't in the database, and he was.
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» Fri Dec 3 2010 16:37:49Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Entering Aslaug Dröfn Sigurdardottir didn't bring up Áslaug Dröfn Sigurðardóttir.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Dec 20 2010 16:23:25Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2000
That worked for me -- though I entered the incorrect name as a makeup artist on a title relatively near her existing filmography dates. If you don't do those two things, then you probably won't get suggestions.
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» Mon Dec 20 2010 16:54:36Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2000
Maybe it helps that the spelling is now in the 'as' attributes I added at the time of my earlier post.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Dec 6 2010 11:56:52Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Entering André van den Hout doesn't find anything. Not even André van der Hout, which is the person I meant.
Marco.
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» Sun Dec 4 2011 02:46:54Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
After almost a year, this still isn't fixed. Why? I can only wonder how many new names aren't actually new...
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Feb 1 2012 03:15:05Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
This still isn't fixed!
IMDb, I'd like an answer as to why this issue still isn't fixed. It has probably lead to a couple of thousand new names that aren't new. That's a terrible situation that needs attention!
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Feb 1 2012 05:10:45Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Marco,
I don't think this thread is monitored by staff since it doesn't have STAFF: on the front of it and was started by an ex-staff member. We're probably best creating a new thread and linking back to this one.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Oct 13 2014 03:13:53Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
BUMP! [giveup]
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» Sat Dec 20 2014 09:46:46Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marco.
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IMDb member since September 2000
Bump!
Marco.
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» Mon Apr 25 2016 08:33:01Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
I just tried it, and still, typing André van den Hout doesn't give any results, not even André van der Hout! (note that both "van den" and "van der" are normal parts of Dutch last names)
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Apr 25 2016 13:35:30Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2004
Hey Marco,
Not sure why your results differ from mine, but when I enter André van den Hout in the search box I get André van der Hout as the second result, http://i.imgur.com/9nB2jsk.jpg. You said "typed". I copy/pasted the first attempt, so I retried it typing the name. Same result.
Might the problem be browser specific? I'm using the latest release of Firefox (45.0.2).
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» Wed Apr 27 2016 14:40:02Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Mayor,
Thanks for thinking along, but I was actually talking about trying to add his name as a cast member to a title.
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Apr 27 2016 15:41:59Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2004
Hey Marco,
I guess I don't run into this problem since I plan out my updates in a text file which I then copy/paste item-by-item to the update form. I vet the names as I collect them and, when I match them to existing names, I include the name constant in my template. So it's the name constant I copy to the form, which bypasses the form's internal name matching (or as you demonstrate non-matching).
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Dec 14 2010 07:08:54Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Mariëlle van Essen doesn't turn up as a suggestion when typing Marielle van Essen.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Dec 16 2010 06:50:00Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Typing Harry van Raay doesn't turn up anything. Not even Harry van Raaij, the person I needed.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Dec 20 2010 16:35:39Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2000
I'll note that the last two names mentioned here only have "Self" credits - this may be significant.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Dec 21 2010 05:50:40Flag ▼ | Reply |
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I added these two names to a talk show episode they were in, so the fact that they only had "self" credits should be a help rather than a disadvantage. Harry van Raaij even had "self" credits for the very talk show I tried to add him to!
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» Sun Dec 4 2011 02:47:43Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Post Edited: Fri Feb 11 2011 12:01:30
The link you give is for Swadesh Pal, which is not one of the combinations you quote here.
Looking at this person's credits, he appears to have worked only as Assistant Director and Actor (with the Actor credits all being for films on which he was also working as AD). Are you certain that this is the same person as the Swadesh Paul who worked in the Costume Department on Ankur (The Seedling) (1974)?
If you are sure, you need to enter the name as Pal, Swadesh and include an attribute that shows how he was actually credited: (as Swadesh Paul) assuming you entered it correctly in your post here.
You can also enter the name as Swadesh Pal, and the system will switch it to the correct format for storage: Pal, Swadesh.
A final option for entry is to enter the n-const (in this case nm1217534) instead of the name, and the system will switch it to the correctly formatted name.
In all cases, the name that is entered must match the primary name - the one at the top of the Name Page - not an AKA. If the name shown on screen does not exactly match the Primary Name that needs to be shown by an (as ...) Attribute.
Note: If you do decide to enter this credit, you will get a warning message that this person has no credits in the Costume Department, and you will need to indicate that you know it is the same person. This is one of the reasons I asked if you were sure the credit is for this person.
Added in edit: I didn't notice the thread that you posted this in. My bad.
If you meant that when you entered Swadesh Paul, the system did not return the name Swadesh Pal, the reason is almost certainly because he has no credit in the Costume Department.
I think this is a major drawback to the system. People do often switch streams in their career. I know IMDb says indicating only those with credits in the section is an improvement, I don't think it makes sense to exclude people like this; surely it would make more sense to list near matches from the matching list (or lists - in this case Costume Department and Costume Directors) first, but then follow it with matches from other lists.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Feb 24 2011 00:10:20Flag ▼ | Reply |
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After using the the new system, I find that it needs more work. I tried to enter a name I had previously entered for two films and the name didn't come up as a choice. This came up in several occasions, so please go back to longer listing as it is more specific and having it change a name or where it should go is difficult.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Feb 26 2011 04:30:26Flag ▼ | Reply |
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I'm afraid my experience is the same as many other contributors'; the main result of the changes is that I now have to carry out additional manual searches on names I'm trying to add, because I can't be certain whether the name really doesn't exist yet in the database, or if the system is simply hiding it from me
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Mar 31 2011 17:02:04Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Post Edited: Fri Apr 1 2011 18:25:51
Yeah, I think the point of the new suggestions was to save time, but in the same way as you I always do manual searches aswell because I don't trust the system to give me all the options, so as a result it ends up taking longer than it used to.
I was just adding a Danny Finkelstein to a title, and the person that I wanted didn't show up. It turned out to be Daniel Finkelstein but he did have Danny Finkelstein as an alternate name. Also on another title it didn't suggest Rob Sargent when Rob Sargeant was entered. So surely if the system worked right they should have been in the suggestion lists.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Apr 4 2011 10:00:49Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Macmillan, Peter doesn't find Peter MacMillan (I), but propably should.
http://imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=12180629
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon May 16 2011 09:46:32Flag ▼ | Reply |
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I'm trying to add credits for Bob Phillips (XII). He's a producer, but his earlier work as a Production Assistant for "In Melbourne Tonight (1957)" falls under Other Crew. I'm unable to submit because it keeps asking me if I'm sure the name is correct. "Bob Phillips (XII) does not have any existing credits in this section.", which is true, but how does one go about adding credits for a new section?
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon May 16 2011 10:46:47Flag ▼ | Reply |
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This is just a warning, not an error. It helps to reduce the number of credits assigned to the wrong person. It also will flag the submission so it gets routed to the New Names section for a further check.
When your enter the data you get the messagefollowed by a list of similar names that do have credits in this Section.
If you scroll to the bottom of this list, the third last option isJust check the radio button to the left of this phrase, and then click on Re-check these updates. The item should turn green, and the Submit button will appear.
Note that if you are submitting to multiple titles in one submission you will have to do this for each title. The system does not cross-check the various items in a submission.
Also, because this routes the submission through New Names, it will likely take an extra week in processing.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Sep 6 2011 09:24:03Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
I entered the name Terence Trent d' Arby and nothing was suggested. Not even Terence Trent D'Arby.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Sep 6 2011 09:57:30Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
It's surely time they abandoned the New Name Suggestions or at least amend it.
The search it carries out should work the same way as the main search box does, cos that can easily find Terence Trent D'Arby if spelled differently / incorrectly. I'm always having to do separate searches for names cos I don't trust it to find the name I'm looking for.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Sep 6 2011 12:58:21Flag ▼ | Reply |
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i agree with you in part.
Certainly the current system ignores far to many names; however, the idea of highlighting the most likely names (e.g. close match in same list) is a good one in my opinion.
My memory is a bit hazy, but I seem to recall that during the beta phase of the new system IMDb supplied two lists, the 'improved' one, and the older one that was basically the same as the main search. I really believe this dual system would be the best of both worlds. It would present the new contributor with the most likely names while allowing the more experienced to look deeper if required.
As I understand the theory it was that the less experienced person tended to just click the first match found often without checking too much. I assume the idea was to restrict the matches to the most likely and pass the duty on to the New Names Manager to do a deeper search if the match wasn't obvious. While the theory may have been reasonable, I don't think the reality has worked out so well.
Even if getting the full list required clicking another button (like the More... link at the bottom of the main search list when there are a lot of close matches), I think most Contributors would rejoice at the change.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Sep 6 2011 13:26:46Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
Also the 10-15 year cut off should either be removed or extended as it isn't that good when you are adding people as archive footage.
I've recently added an archive footage credit to F1 driver James Hunt, and because he died in '93 he hasn't had any credits since, so doesn't show up in suggestions. And due to that 2 additional James Hunt's have been created because people couldn't see the main one.
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Oct 24 2011 18:00:20Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2004
Post Edited: Mon Oct 24 2011 18:27:38
I would suggest tweaking the system as to how it deals with names containing "Jr." and "Sr."
Example: In the special effects department, I entered: Connie Brinks Jr.
The system gave me just one suggestion:
Brink, Connie (Special Effects, Gangs of New York (2002))
aka Brink Sr., Connie
aka Brink Sr., Conrad F.
aka Brink Sr., Conrad
aka Brink, Connie F.
aka Brink, Conrad F.
aka Brink, Conrad
aka Brinks, Conrad
It should not have offered me this name at all as a suggestion, because it has akas indicating it is Connie Brink Sr. when what I had entered was Jr.
The name I should have been offered is Conrad V. Brink Jr. (nm0109534).
It did not offer me that suggestion because I had mistakenly typed "Brinks" instead of "Brink". Ideally the system would have figured out what I really meant, but in this case, if it could not find the name I really wanted (i.e. Conrad V. Brink Jr.), then it would have been preferable to offer no suggestion at all.
Offering the suggestion of Conrad Brink Sr. here (when the name I entered contained "Jr.") could lead to incorrect data being entered.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Oct 25 2011 05:46:53Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2004
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this issue. But I am an actor, director but am trying to add a visual effects credit on a film. The form is not allowing me to select Martin Malone Actor/Director but forces me to create a new Martin Malone.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Oct 25 2011 08:48:35Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 2000
Do not create a new name if it is for the same person.
The system does not prevent you from using the name currently on site; it simply makes it a little less simple because it won't do it automatically.
From what you have said, I assume that you are Martin Malone (II) (imdb.com/name/nm0540470/). If this is incorrect, adjust the following comments accordingly.
You simply need to enter the full name, including the Roman numeral identifier at the end (i.e. Malone, Martin (II)). On the next page you will get a warning message (which is why the name doesn't show up if you leave off the Roman numeral) that begins:followed by a list of alternate names. Since this is the person you mean, just check the radio button beside This is the first credit in this section for 'Malone, Martin (II)'. The next page should be green, and you will be able to submit the credit.
P.S. Instead of entering the full name (Malone, Martin (II)) you may if you want enter the n-const from the name page URL (nm0540470) in the name field. The system will replace it with the full name when you proceed.
P.P.S. IMDb used to use the same algorithm in the update system as they do in the search function, but apparently felt that too many people were clicking on a name without checking if it was the correct person. Therefore, they restricted the returned names to the most likely ones. Many contributors feel that, while the reason might be laudable, the implementation creates as many problems as it solves.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Nov 2 2011 15:55:39Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 2005
It's not working. When I submit the name for recheck, it literally looks like this M@#$%^&&. Help please.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Nov 2 2011 21:16:25Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 2000
Did you actually check the reply to your previous post?
See imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/190552299?d=190552299#190552299
When I tried I got the result G. Pi, Mónica, which as gromit82 said is correct for the name Monica if the o has a grave accent, ó being one method used in HTML to encode the accented character.
(I have been unable to get the accented 'o' to display properly on this post - probably a code page mismatch.)
If that is what you get, accept it. If you are actually getting M@#$%^&&, it would appear to be a problem at your end, as I get the correct version.
Note: Please keep posts on this Board to one problem per thread and one thread per problem.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Dec 3 2011 13:54:10Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Joao Varela doesn't turn up anything, not even João Varela.
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Oct 13 2014 02:59:07Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Two and a half years later, this is still the case! [giveup]
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Dec 20 2011 06:18:25Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Carolien van de Berg doesn't turn up anything, not even Carolien van den Berg (I), the person I meant.
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Oct 13 2014 03:00:52Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Two and a half years later, this is still the case! [giveup]
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Dec 20 2011 10:43:46Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
Paul Lee doesn't turn up anything despite there being more than 30 Paul Lee's on the system. It also seemed to take quite a while for it to tell me there weren't any aswell.
Andrew
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Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Dec 27 2011 17:32:20Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since October 2000
Putting 'Shepherd, Jean' in the Cast Additions box brings up Jean Shepherd (II) and (III) as choices, but not the one I needed: Jean Shepherd (I), narrator of A Christmas Story (1983).
David G. /nm2534924/
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Dec 28 2011 10:56:11Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2006
I like the career path enhancement.
The taking into account of existing filmographies is a good idea for countries where the database is quite complete, such as the U.S., but it can be problematic for countries such as Egypt where imdb still has a lot of movies with very little cast information included. Maybe for non-U.S. countries you could still display the person whose career appears to have ended a couple of decades earlier, but sort it lower in the list of findings and include a statement next to that name saying that the most recent credit was 1958 (or whatever)?
The changes to the fuzzy search are really problematic for me, due to the fact that most of the credits I add are for Egyptian movies. These credits are written in Arabic, which has its own alphabet, and there's more than one way to transliterate the Arabic alphabet into English. Before your change, the fuzzy search did a fantastic job of finding possible alternative spellings, making it easy for me to discover that the actor was already in the database, but spelled differently. Now, the search is failing to find/display the name even if it's already in the database but spelled differently.
For example, I wanted to add a credit for Abdel Fattah Qasri, so I entered him as "Qasri, Abdel Fattah". The fuzzy search did not turn up any "similar" names, and it asked if I wanted to add him as a new name to the database. So I opened a separate browser window and searched for him from the main imdb home page, and found him listed as Abdel Fatah el-Kasri. Your old search would almost certainly have found him without my having to use a separate browser window for the purpose.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Dec 31 2011 10:19:14Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2006
I thought it might be helpful to provide an additional example of a case where I believe the old fuzzy search would have found/suggested the spelling for a person that's already in the database:
My Egyptian friend transliterated a film technician's name as Fekry Rostom. The input dialogue did not have any suggestions for me of names already found in the database. When I went to the imdb home page and searched on "Fekry Rostom", it found him already in the database spelled as "Fikry Roustom".
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Dec 31 2011 12:48:00Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2005
This is messing me up right now. I'm trying to fix a credit I had under Art Direction which should have been Assistant Director, but since I have a Cinematography credit it wont show my name in the search results. What a failure.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Jan 31 2012 07:39:42Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since February 2006
Please change on my IMDB Resume--i worked in the movie RIPD as a Police Officer--delete Driver presently on reume--ihave requested this several times.
thank you
Frankie Imbergamo
francoj1@msn.com
change from driver to Police Officer on Resume--RIPD/2013
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Feb 9 2012 21:54:30Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since May 2006
T.O.N.E-Z played "Barnes" in the 2-7-12 episode of "Justified" and was credited. This site won't accept a capital Z as the last letter.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Apr 11 2012 09:59:21Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Entering Jetske van der Elsen doesn't lead to Jetske van den Elsen being suggested.
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Mon Oct 13 2014 03:07:24Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
Why? [giveup]
Marco.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Tue Jun 19 2012 15:26:39Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since November 2005
I'm finding it incredibly difficult to add credits since the system is "correcting" the show name to an incorrect title. ???
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Jun 20 2012 04:56:01Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2000
You should start a new thread and give further details of your problem: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/post/bd0000042.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jun 21 2012 22:59:12Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2012
I am a first-time director, attempting to add my name to a high profile series. There seems to be a catch-22 situation here, name search won't find or add me unless I already have an IMDB directing credit!
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sun Oct 14 2012 03:07:01Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
I entered the name Sophie in 't Veld and nothing was suggested. Not even Sophie in't Veld.
Marco.
Let us rate alien sex movies in peace please: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000122/nest/203323991
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sun Nov 11 2012 06:41:26Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2005
It seems to be broken. I tried to update a listing for Michael Massee (Massee, Michael). When I clicked to check the updates it brought up three possible suggestions:
Massee, Michael (Actor, Se7en (1995)) aka Massey, Michael
This is a different person not currently listed - create 'Massee, Michael'.
I am not sure - submit it as 'Massee, Michael' and let IMDb staff decide.
I selected the first option, then clicked "re-check these updates" and it brought up the page to submit the updates (the box around Massee was green) so I clicked "Submit these Updates." But instead of submitting the updates it took me back to the suggestions screen. I tried selecting Massee again, then I tried selecting "I am not sure" and each time I get the green box, "Submit these Updates" then back to the suggestions screen.
Is it broken or is there some other box I was supposed to check?
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
» Sun Nov 11 2012 07:26:01Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2000
Something is broken, also see the other posts at this board. No word yet from staff.
Re: IMDb Announcement: New Name Suggestions
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» Fri Feb 14 2014 15:38:17Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Your problem has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread. This is about a software system within the submissions server that suggests other possible names to contributors when they are entering people. Any and all posts in this thread should be directly related to that system. Randomly replying to posts by staff members in hopes of getting a response is not the way to get your problem solved. IMDb manager nialltovery politely explained to you just above where to go and how to address your problem.
Take this to the IMDb Help Board at GetSatisfaction: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb.
And remember, the general rule is one thread per problem and one problem per thread.
Now make a decision. Do you want to whine and complain, or do you want your problem solved?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Oct 9 2014 09:15:18Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since March 2013
What a freaking nightmare.... I put in the name "Popp, Frank Jr." Many names come up, except the page for Frank Popp Jr. then when you type in "Popp, Frank", it says: We have these suggestions :-Popp Jr., Frank (Writer, Don't Call Me Bambino (2012) so I select that option and click "re-check these updates" it loads back to the same page where it inputs the name automatically as "Popp, Frank Jr." and doesn't recognize it.... what am I supposed to do???
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Oct 9 2014 11:07:35Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2004
To what title, and for what role or position are you trying to add Mr. Popp? I got as far as the submit button with a green background when attempting to add him as cast or miscellaneous crew on a random title. No problems.
The form will auto-correct your entry, Popp, Frank Jr., to the format used by the database, Popp Jr., Frank, (see /updates/guide/names_all#suffix) and informs you that it has done so with the following notice:In my tests, along with that explanatory note I see the following:I tick the top choice, recheck, and if the name is being added to a department new to Mr. Popp's filmography, I get a yellow warning asking me it I have the right person and serving up a list of alternative names, at the bottom of which are these two lines:I tick that "This is the first credit in this section..." line, and recheck. At this point the form turns green and offers the submit button. Yes, the name has been converted to Popp Jr., Frank. That's how it's stored in the database, as can be verified by going to his name page, Frank Popp Jr., clicking the Edit page button, and scrolling to the bottom of the update page where this line appears:
Again, if you're seeing something different, please identify exactly where (title and role or position) that difference occurs.
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Dec 13 2014 04:12:43Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2008
Hi Mark,
since I find myself (and several other people) listed with two different Names:
Rainer Steffen
Steffen, Rainer
The latter in German productions, exclusively. I have a problem entering credits for my roles. My name is automatically converted to one or the other.
What can I do?
Thanks,
Rainer Steffen
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Name Suggestions
» Sat Dec 13 2014 06:52:42Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2000
"Rainer Steffen" and "Steffen, Rainer" are both references to the same thing
When names are displayed in the web interface they are shown as <given name(s)> <family name>. But in the database they are shown as <family name>, <given name(s)>. Note the comma when the family name is first.
If you search for Steffen, Rainer it will only offer you Rainer Steffen
If you make a submission for Rainer Steffen the submission will be changed to Steffen, Rainer. But that's quite normal because they are the same thing.
Steve
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jan 22 2015 05:15:51Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2008
Thank you for your reply, Steve!
Now, I have another problem that I seem to be unable to resolve myself: I submitted a photo in mid December. This photo appears on my Profile page but does not appear on other pages (cast, list of characters).
Also, I might want to publish a different photo instead, but it seems impossible for me to upload any other pics.
What can I do about these issues, or is there a dedicated address to report them to?
Thanks in advance,
Rainer Steffen
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Name Suggestions
» Thu Jan 22 2015 05:36:19Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2000
Rainer,
Please make that request in a new thread
Steve
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Apr 20 2016 02:12:00Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2000
I think there are still quite some problems in this area, hence the bump.
Marco.
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Name Suggestions
» Wed Apr 20 2016 08:00:57Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since April 2004
One (presumably) simple one from within here that should have been fixed long ago is putting the names in numerical order (of their roman numerals) and not alphabetical order. eg. C might come before X alphabetically, but not in roman numberals.
Andrew
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