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Names with prefixes

I'm reposting this thread at the request of Gary Krause.

REDIRECTED: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Thu Nov 27 2008 14:41:58Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since April 2004
Post Edited: Thu Feb 9 2017 07:48:47


Jon, 

Is it possible that a warning can be set up if someone decides to create a name with a common prefix (eg Doctor, Dr, Professor, Prof, Sir etc) on the front of it instead of listing it as an attribute instead. I seem to be correcting such names all the time. 

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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Fri Dec 5 2008 04:11:57Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since October 2000

Splendid idea. I don't think there's a way for me to add this without some software changes, though; those changes are now bug 5802.

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Sat Aug 21 2010 14:09:57Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since April 2004

Looks like this is up and running now. Cheers. 

Now that it is it could do with a little tweaking. It recognises Prof. (with the full stop) but doesn't recognise Prof (without it), so that needs adding. 

Also recognising the word Lord would be useful too. That will fire off if someone has the surname Lord too (as it did when I entered someone with the surname Major), so I don't know if there's a way for it to recognise that those words probably shouldn't be at the beginning of the name but can be at the end. If it can't be that specific then never mind, it's better to have the warning be there than not at all. 


Andrew 
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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Tue Aug 24 2010 18:04:26Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Yes, we're still doing some tweaks here. In addition to prefixes, we're also catching some suffixes like M.D. and some words that look more like company names (there's a different message for those). 

I've added the two checks you suggest (in such a way that a surname of Lord won't trigger, unless it's "FN Lord Jr." or "FN Lord III" or the like -- something rare enough that I'm willing to live with it). "Justice" is also currently treated the same way. 

We intentionally do not trigger on "Mr" and "Mrs" because of their use in the silent era. Also, as noted in our naming guide, women were often "Mrs. John Doe" in that era, and simply omitting the "Mrs." would not be correct. We do not trigger on "Sister" for similar reasons.

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Wed Aug 25 2010 04:32:36Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Post Edited: Sat Aug 28 2010 13:12:42


Well if you're still tweaking then I'll just point out that the MD one came up the other day when I entered someone with the surname Hamdani, because it has md in the middle of it. If you are getting it to recognise MD then you could get it to recognise MP aswell perhaps (though I probably create most of the British MPs on here anyway). 

Lady would be another one to add. 

Can you get Major and Deacon to only trigger when they are at the beginning of the name aswell. 

Andrew 
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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Tue Aug 31 2010 18:13:02Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Yes, around the time of my last post, I changed several things, including MD, Major, and Deacon to trigger only as standalone words when I realized the match was not case-sensitive. 

I've added MP (as a standalone word). 

"Lady" is another of those that scares me a bit -- Lady Gaga, for example. I think triggering on this would probably have more false alarms than genuine cases.

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Wed Sep 1 2010 02:14:44Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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One odd thing that I noticed last night is this warning is being triggered on episode titles that include such words aswell as in names (when I was adding an episode number to this episode http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1331617/). 


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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Fri Sep 3 2010 15:26:50Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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I knew that was too easy 

Yeah, it turns out the episode title field is, internally, "name". So anything we apply globally to "name" will trigger on episode titles. Dang. 

I'll keep an eye on this when we redesign the update forms and make sure important keywords like "name" don't get overloaded again. And even though it probably won't get fixed, I may submit a bug just to make sure I'm not the only one looking out for this...

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Thu Oct 23 2014 10:41:08Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Bumping to avoid expiry, as the issue of the warning triggering on episode titles has yet to be resolved. 

Andrew 
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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Col Needhamby Col Needham
 » Sat May 28 2016 04:26:15Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Sorry for the delay, there is a ticket open with the appropriate team now (#0081496353) 

Col

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Col Needhamby Col Needham
 » Sat May 28 2016 08:43:45Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb Staff Member

Re-bumping following major catch-up on this board.

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Wed Apr 20 2016 01:41:32Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Unresolved old thread -- bumping for staff attention. 

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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user scgary66by scgary66
 » Wed Sep 1 2010 13:19:39Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since April 2002

"Lady" is another of those that scares me a bit -- Lady Gaga, for example.
On a side note, IMDb apparently doesn't prohibit royal titles in primary names of monarchs (e.g. Queen Elizabeth II, King Edward VII, etc.), but if you did there would be more exceptions to handle - King Baggot, Queen Latifah, Prince Fielder, etc. 

Gary Krause 

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user nono-13by nono-13
 » Sat Sep 4 2010 11:36:23Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since July 2000

Jon, I've experienced two nuisances caused by those checks lately: 

'Fr' triggers on Frédéric a very common French first name. I suspect it may be linked to accented characters being treated as non-word... Don't know if you can do anything. 

'Det' triggers at end of last name, which is pretty common in French, maybe you can fix it. 

Thanks 



Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Thu Sep 9 2010 16:06:38Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since October 2000

Thanks for the heads up on those. 

I fixed the "Fr" problem yesterday (thanks to the other post on this topic) by only triggering on "Fr." -- tested it just now, and it seems to work. 

And I made a change just now to "Det" to only trigger on it when it's a standalone word, which should fix that once it goes live in a few hours.

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Thu Sep 9 2010 16:23:16Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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BTW, Major and Deacon are still triggering on surnames. Can you do the same with them as you did with Lord (and presumably any of the other prefix words which are only a problem when at the beginning of the name). 


Andrew 
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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Mon Sep 13 2010 17:40:20Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Deacon should have already been fixed (possibly after the last time you checked), but I've changed Major and several others just now. Thanks.

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Steve Crookby Steve Crook
 » Wed Sep 1 2010 00:35:28Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since January 2000

Lady would be another one to add

Ideally, yes. But I was adding a documentary recently, Churchill's Spy School (2010) (TV) [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1688687/] where one of the people interviewed was only identified as "Lady Chichester" in the on-screen caption. 

I suspect she is Ann, the daughter of the 3rd Baron Montagu of Beaulieu. The documentary says that the Montagu family was evacuated from the estate except for Lady Montagu and her daughter. They then interview this lady identified as "Lady Chichester; Montagu family". 

But without further information I just had to add her as "Lady Chichester". 

BTW 
What about Earl Hines, Duke Ellington, Prince?  

Steve 



Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Wed Sep 1 2010 03:37:25Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Post Edited: Wed Sep 1 2010 05:22:20


Yeah, without further information it can sometimes be difficult to find out who it really is. 

Incidentally, I think it's probably the sister of the 3rd Baron Montagu of Beaulieu, Anne Chichester (née Anne Douglas-Scott-Montagu) http://www.thepeerage.com/p6848.htm#i68472

Andrew 
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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user scgary66by scgary66
 » Wed Aug 25 2010 13:30:09Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since April 2002
Post Edited: Wed Aug 25 2010 13:33:43


If you haven't already included it, I'd strongly suggest watching for Ph.D./PhD as well, since that one pops up a lot. No system is ever going to be perfect, though; a few weeks ago I fixed a page which had Abbot in the primary name (now Philip Lawrence (IV)), but Abbot/Abbott is such a common name that it's not really reasonable for the system to watch for Abbot (or Abbess) as an honorific. 

Gary Krause 

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Tue Aug 31 2010 18:16:08Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since October 2000

Yes, Ph.D/PhD were already in the list, thanks. 

I've added Abbot/Abbott subject to the same kind of specialized word checking as Lord and Justice now use, thanks.

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Sun Oct 31 2010 16:59:56Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since April 2004

It doesn't seem to be triggering on the word Lord any more. Has the specialised word checking gone a little too far? 

Andrew 
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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Fri Nov 5 2010 17:15:29Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb member since October 2000

I just confirmed that the checking for "Lord" does what it should: It triggers on Lord Peter Wimsey, but not on Peter Lord (or, for that matter, Peter Lord Wimsey).

Re: Names with prefixesimage for user Moz79by Moz79
 » Fri Nov 5 2010 17:23:01Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Post Edited: Fri Nov 5 2010 17:43:50


However, if you enter the name as Lord Wimsey (as the first name isn't used that often officially once someone is made a Lord) it doesn't trigger. 


Andrew 
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Re: Names with prefixesimage for user jreevesby jreeves
 » Wed Nov 10 2010 18:37:13Flag ▼ | Reply |  

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Which is also as I would expect, given the form of the check. And in this case, it's not a superfluous title, but an integral part of the name, just as "Queen Elizabeth" can't be simplified.

Re: PENDING: Names with prefixesimage for user swiftwby swiftw
 » Thu Feb 9 2017 07:48:01Flag ▼ | Reply |  

IMDb Staff Member

Hi Moz79, 

Unfortunately this issue is yet to be prioritised but we've taken down your details and we'll let you know via the helpdesk once this one has been completed. 

Regards, 
Will
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