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Marvel movie list is incomplete

ALL listings of Marvel movies start with Cap't America, First Avenger BUT that's not true. In 1989 The Punisher with Dolph Lungren was released and in the opening credits it definitely says "Marvel". This is MCU because Kevin Feige has tied Kingpin, Hawkeye, Daredevil AND the Punisher all together in the MCU. All these lists need to be re-done. Take note, IMDB and all the other copy-and-pasters out there.

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I don't believe the older Spider-Man, or Incredible Hulk tv shows, the Captain America made-for-TV films from the late '70s, the Hulk made-for-tv films from the late '80s/early '90s, the 1989 Punisher film, the '90 Captain America,  the '94 Corman Fantastic Four film, Daredevil with Affleck, the Jessica Alba Fantastic Fours, Punisher with Thomas Jane, Punisher War Zone, Hulk with Eric Bana, Blade with Snipes or either Ghost Riders with Cage are considered part of the current MCU universe or official canon. Same goes for the X-Men films and Deadpool.

Though Disney/Marvel Studios can choose to if they want to at any point, but until they do so and connect of reference any of those, they are not part of the same universe. 

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@crx_brett If I recall, none of those shows you mention heralded the bit about being Marvel like that 1989 movie did. Even included Stan Lee in the opening credits. That, plus the Kevin Feige tie-in I mentioned says that it should be included. You, of course, said it all in your opening comment, "I don't believe ..." I, however, do.

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@fredstevens MCU is a franchise started with 2008 Iron Man movie, it does not mean "all Marvel movies ever made", it's not really up to who believes what. It's not a matter of believing.

You need to show a link of your claim about Kevin Feige statement. I'm not aware of any such statement made by him. At most he was mentioning characters such as Daredevil, The Punisher from the Netflix shows, which were always MCU.

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https://geekositymag.com/jon-bernthals-the-punisher-will-make-mcu-debut-in-charlie-cox-daredevil-reboot/

 Google is your friend. Or DuckDuckGo, if you prefer privacy. Either way, Feige has been heard re: Punisher, Daredevil, Wilson Fisk and other players. The fact that there was a movie made in 1989 that definitely says it was Marvel in the opening credits puts it right up there with the newer MCU offerings. Yeah, there was a Republic Pictures serial of Cap't America back in 1940 but it was soundly ripped as total trash and not representative of the comic version at all, so it doesn't count. Dolph Lungren's version does. You may not believe that, and that's ok. Your belief doesn't change the truth, though.

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@fredstevens Are you claiming Jon Bernthal and Charlie Cox played Punisher and Daredevil in 1989?

Like I said already, he's talking about the Netflix shows, did you read the link? I don't really get what you're even trying to claim or change or what is or where is the issue.

Again, it's not up to who believes what. People who make them decides what's included or not. MCU does not mean "all Marvel movies", it's a brand, a franchise. Even not all new Marvel movies from today is included, let alone things from decades ago.

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The so-called ”Phase 1” started with the first Iron Man (not the timeline, though, since films like ”Captain Marvel” and the fist ”Captain America” happen before that).

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Hi fredstevens -

Can you clarify which lists on the site you are referring to?  Are these Lists created by IMDb staff?

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Who knows? If you do a search, that's what comes back. IMDB's database, IMDB's results. Bad data in, bad data out. No way to make a change, not from this end.

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@fredstevens It's not even clear what are you talking about, what search you do, what comes back. Give some links, you're most likely talking about some user lists made by users.

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@mbmb Well, all I can say is that I go to IMDB's search and put in List all marvel movies, or I go to Google and do the same and whichever way I search, all lists start with Cap't America, the First Avenger which isn't true. It was not the first Marvel comic made into a movie with Marvel in the opening credits. That belongs to the 1989 Punisher flick. And THAT is all that I am saying.

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If you talk about this: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls020525837/

That's a user list, you can make such a list yourself too and put whatever you like.