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Major keyword problem that needs attention
I am a male feminist, and there are many keywords that should NOT be allowed. Now, I am not in favor of banning, but these keywords are so sexist and subjective that they DO NOT meet IMDb requirements,
Although almost all keyword that includes the words "feminine" and "masculine" are suspect, I am referring to keywords like: pretty-woman, attractive-woman, thin-and-attractive-woman, slim-and-attractive woman,. sexy-woman, sexy-legs, pretty-legs, thin-legs, shapely-legs, woman-with-masculine-hair, woman-with-short-masculine-hair, thin-and-attractive, slim-and-attractive, etc., etc., etc. And there are often "masculine" versions of such keywords.
With IMFDb's commitment to the f-rated keyword, and with the sociological evolution of our times, such keywords should not be allowed -- if for no other reason than they are so subjective. Not only is beauty in the eyes of the beholder, but so are attractive, thin, etc., etc. etc.
I hope this receives some serious attention, and that those who contribute such keywords are notified that they do not meet IMDb standards and should not be submitted.
Although almost all keyword that includes the words "feminine" and "masculine" are suspect, I am referring to keywords like: pretty-woman, attractive-woman, thin-and-attractive-woman, slim-and-attractive woman,. sexy-woman, sexy-legs, pretty-legs, thin-legs, shapely-legs, woman-with-masculine-hair, woman-with-short-masculine-hair, thin-and-attractive, slim-and-attractive, etc., etc., etc. And there are often "masculine" versions of such keywords.
With IMFDb's commitment to the f-rated keyword, and with the sociological evolution of our times, such keywords should not be allowed -- if for no other reason than they are so subjective. Not only is beauty in the eyes of the beholder, but so are attractive, thin, etc., etc. etc.
I hope this receives some serious attention, and that those who contribute such keywords are notified that they do not meet IMDb standards and should not be submitted.
bradley_kent
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What is beautiful? What is pretty? What is attractive? What is handsome? What is sexy? etc. These are opinions, not facts.
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jay_spirit
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The same oddball might find Margaret Hamilton to be gorgeous, but in THE WIZARD OF OZ both her characters are meant to be seen as ugly. Keywords like attractive-woman and ugly-woman are not subjective if the movie makes it clear how we're supposed to view the characters.
The keywords would be subjective on most nonfiction titles, such as THE VIEW, ELLEN, THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW, JUDGE JUDY, etc.
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bradley_kent
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Wow! We will see what the future brings. Guess IMDb better start eliminating the" f-rated" keyword.
Thanks, he said, cynically, for calling me "nonsense." That's obviously "subjective," and not "objective." "Nonsense" would be a terrible keyword.
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MykolaYeriomin
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That said, some of these keywords definitely need trimming and reconsideration.
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If I want subjectivity, I go to user and eternal reviews. There, one can express a opinion about anything -- content or aesthetics. But the keywords are an objective index to the content of a title, and are, therefore, an excellent research tool.
If you don't need or like the keywords, don't use them.
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bradley_kent
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P.S. I still would like a response from the IMDb staff.
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Marco
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For me, this whole discussion doesn't have anything to do with being politically correct or not. It has to do with trying to decide whether or not IMDb should want subjective keywords. I would say IMDb should not want subjective keywords because I don't see what purpose they serve. For every instance of the keyword 'pretty-woman', the keyword 'ugly-woman' could also be added, making both keywords pointless.
Regarding females that are considered sexy or pretty by a character in the film: I don't see the purpose because I feel it could be added to the lion's share of titles in the database. But if IMDb wants to list is, perhaps something like 'character-feels-another-character-is-sexy' could do the trick? I agree it's not a sexy keyword, but at least it's way more objective than 'sexy-woman' and it's also less ambiguous
PS: there already is the keyword 'smitten-by-a-beautiful-woman': https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword?keywords=smitten-by-a-beautiful-woman .
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If I ran the keywords, I would keep ugly-woman and banish pretty-woman, attractive-woman and sexy-woman. The bot would tell contributors: "IMDb finds this keyword to be redundant, as nearly every fiction title has a woman the audience is meant to view as attractive."
Similarly, handsome-man could be banished, while, in certain cases, retaining ugly-man.
What does the staff think?
There are other "general" keyword (i.e., man, woman, etc.) that could be applied to almost every title and could also be banished. An exception (as there always is) in certain cases would be "human-being," especially when humans are not the norm (as in some science-fiction titles).
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Marco
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Does IMDb feel a keyword like 'pretty-woman' or 'sexy-woman' serves a purpose when it can be added to about 90 per cent of all titles in the database?
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