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Wed, Jan 5, 2022 4:46 AM

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listed names of actor/actresses

so, I noticed that Ellen/Elliot Page listings do not carry the normal "as Ellen Page" listing under all of their works that were done while they were still using Ellen Page.

I find this VERY strange since you do list other popular celebrities who have gone by different names with that.  If we are going to be politically neutral on the issue, you should be listing all of the Ellen Page roles as "As Ellen Page" on your site to be consistent with how you've always handled all other people who've used more than one name.

Thanks

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4 m ago

If you search IMDb for Ellen Page, you won't find the page for Elliot Page, even though Elliot has made quite some films under the name Ellen Page. Is this helpful for the customers of IMDb? I don't think so. Especially for those (and obviously their number will only grow in the future) that honestly don't know Elliot Page used to work under the name Ellen Page.

Obviously Page is a very well known person, but what if IMDb has also allowed this for other people? It will be hard to find some people in the database. Also, IMDb risks pages being duplicated because a contributor might think a person wasn't in the database yet. 

Oh, well.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204824/quotes/qt0184093 

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4 m ago

I agree - it's not helpful or truthful OR even-handed to obscure this public information. "As Ellen Page" does show up on the works' pages, so it's in there, but it is an erasure of historical fact (something which imdb policy claims to be against) not to include it on the actor page, and confusing to not include the older name in search results, especially for people who don't study everyone's transition. I have a TG identity but still take this stance.

(I wondered if the page wasn't showing anything else because all credits were still as Ellen and there was nothing to be an exception to, but some new titles do seem to be as Elliot, so that may explain nothing!)

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4 m ago

Hi All -

To help clarify, our current policy is that upon verified requests, an individual may choose to remove the display of all alternate names next to credits on their IMDb name page. 

For more information about this policy I encourage you to review our Help Article.

Cheers!

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@Michelle​ I think the point of this thread is not that the policy is what it is, but that the policy is a very bad one and doesn't serve anyone in the long run as it makes the database less useful (apart from that, it goes directly into "aiming to be as easily searchable as possible").

If IMDb keeps aiming "to give professionals more control over how information is presented on their IMDb name pages", it's risking losing customers and contributors* because the database serves less purposes and with that, becomes less useful. In the most extreme scenario, IMDb would simply cease to exist because people have stopped taking it seriously and/or don't find it useful anymore and the professionals have to look elsewhere for control of their information. 

Also, the whole "giving professionals more control over how information is presented on their IMDb name pages" might feel as a slap in the face for those actors who've started out in (soft)porn flick but can't get those credits removed from their name pages. Or those countless professionals who don't want their date of birth listed on their name page because the industry (not the database!) discriminates. 

*for me personally, policy changes like these are part of the reason I wasn't a Top Contributor in 2021, after being one for 17 years.

SoCalGrace

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@Michelle@Marco has already said, very nicely, everything I would've said, so I'll be brief: your current policy sucks!

I've said before and will continue to say that we cannot erase history. We can't pretend something didn't happen just because we don't like it. Try as I might, I can't make 9/11 go away. It happened. No amount of rewriting history will make it go away. Ditto for the whole gender/name thing. If John Doe is unhappy with the baggage that they used to be known as Jane Doe, well, I'm sorry, but it is what it is. They WERE Jane Doe! That *fact* is all over historical records, from school yearbooks to childhood medical records to MOVIE CREDITS. No one's going back and replacing "Jane Doe" with "John Doe" in the credits made when they were still Jane Doe. Nor should anyone do that. It's part of history.

We need to stop being so PC and just accept reality for what it is. I'm sorry Page is uncomfortable having their past hanging around, but it's part of their life story and cannot be edited out. IMDb *should* be a source of factual information. Movies made when Page was known as female and was listed in the credits as Ellen should reflect that on IMDb.

Just picture someone, new to Page's work, who's watching a movie where she was credited as Ellen. They come to IMDb to look up info about the movie, and about Page in general. What happens when they plug "Ellen Page" into the search box? Remember, they're sitting there, perhaps with the movie stopped on the credits, looking at a name that plain as day says "Ellen Page," yet they come up blank on IMDb. That doesn't make sense! They rightfully would assume that someone made a huge mistake, typing in "Elliot" instead of "Ellen"--since they can plainly see Ellen in the credits.

This current policy is just silly--and wrong...

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4 m ago

Hi All -

Just circling back here, we appreciate the feedback and I have taken the comments on this thread and passed them along to the appropriate team for visibility and review of any future improvements to the current policy.

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@Michelle​ Thanks a bunch!