Lightning Bear Fake Stunt Credits

@Michelle 

Thank you very much.

Just as an aside I know that western genre thing is onto the rules committee. I'm hoping you can forward this also.  Just as an update to that. The contributor has now put every western as a drama which should raise red flags. Now they've moved onto television westerns (i.e. Gunsmoke etc) which actually goes against IMDb rules because a genre is supposed to describe the whole series. Things like Gunsmoke have some comedy episodes, etc. as do other shows but they don't seem to let it go.

Just as an example. (I'm about to finish up my PhD in computer engineering and statistics. 

Go look up George Huggins. 

He was a cowboy actor. I identified and discovered. Now he's down for 168 westerns and 131 dramas.  He only has 186 credits. Shows how it's completely manipulated his career. By putting drama down for every western he has created a problem that every researcher avoids called multicollinearity. Basically it falsifies the data and creates an unreliable picture because the 2 variables (in this case westerns and dramas) are now intertwined. 

One other thing.  As I mentioned in the past. Westerns have an element of drama but that's the plot. They also have other things. A comical sidekick etc  by IMDb definition a drama maintains a series tone throughout. Westerns don't. They were meant for kids which is why most have periods of bumbling etc.

One final note. The contributor in question previously tried to do the same thing to the Romance genre. (he's also doing it to the Music genre adding music to things) This is why he doesnt mention romance. Attached is a link to an old thread where a staff member tried to explain it to him and had to step in for doing it to the Romance genre.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000042/Contributors-Help/58aa87791f7fc81e821c560c/ANSWERED-Genre-submissions-not-being-accepted-Why


That ends my summation. I hope you can forward this to the team also because I saw some post and I felt it better to state my case and showcase why it's a bad idea and pretty much under his argument every single movie for the last 100+ years would be listed as a drama. 

Anyways thanks for lending the ear and hope it gets forwarded to the right place. Sorry to be a bother but figured I'd add to the case without making the other person angry. 

P.S. just to show you how bad it is, im now finding the drama genre added to westerns that are "lost" and aren't even viewable.

Just as a follow up I found this and it just showcases how bad it is.  Seminole (1953) The person is also nuts about the "music" genre and applied it a ton to where it's not but this is a joke. There's not a single song in the movie and you can tell by the lack of soundtrack listed. 

Thunder Town is the same way. The "music" is a henchman (Don Weston) playing a guitar for maybe 10 seconds as the good guys are tied up. 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039034/reference/

 Music seems to be a genre that was created with good intent but there's not too many things that fall into it. The 2 other movies below don't even have a single song in them. Don't worry I'm not going through all 9200 titles but the same drama genre guys been doing this also. 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0021070/reference/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029660/reference/

Which is also why you can't let genres be done on an episode basis. Disneyland did Texas John Slaughter, Swamp Fox, and a few that were westerns that even featured Walt Disney on the intro in a cowboy hat. but the show isn't  obviously a western overall and you don't want to open pandoras box and do an episode level thing because it just leads to further arguments. 

Anyways that's just an example to follow up on the previous post.  It's what happens when somebody who doesn't watch the movies he contributes to.  Anyways I'll stop posting but I keep on finding a lot of stuff that's weirdly done.


I usually don't do this also but this is one keyword I would suggest should be blocked and it's that contributors. That's so subjective of a keyword. I  just deleted it from a 2022 series..  It's a keyword that literally means every single western could apply.

https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=classical-western&ref_=fn_kw_kw_1

Anyways sorry for being a bother, I know I type a lot but some stuff always should be said because I know staff members depend on the contributors to have common sense and sadly some go way to far which is why I only work on what I watch.  (I worked some in IT) Thank you for all you do and all you put up with as I know it can be difficult.  

Yeah it's really sad. Somebody called the Screen Actors Guild and they verified he was never a member. (as a stuntman in American films you have to be) 

It's sad really when you think about it.  He seems like lie about doing American stunts and got a few European gigs maybe as an extra based on that. Sadly not the first. Years ago at The Memphis Film Festival there were a guy who claimed to be Lee Aaker for a few years and signed everybodys things until somebody finally checked his identified. 

 I actually have a few friends who were American extras and a few friends who were stuntmen. They never heard of the guy. (you had to be a guild member to be an identifiable extra also)

Just to show what kind of fake stuntmen are out there. Years ago people believed this guy was. You can tell how full of it he was by the article and of course I knew a stuntman who did several of the films he claimed and of course he verified Young was a fake.

https://www.clevescene.com/news/shortys-long-story-1478962

Phil