Launch Announcement: Music Video Title Type

@Marco Aye Caramba, Nobody's Perfect ->Some Like It Hot (1959) - Quotes - IMDb (I've fixed the link).

Yes, one of the future enhancements we are considering is the creation of a Music Video/Podcasting section as you describe.  

Let me know if you have any more feedback.

Cheers,

Rachel

@Rachel Thanks. Lovely film, Some Like It Hot. :)

@mbmb

Hi, 

Yes, we have manually converted 25K titles, but you are correct, there are still more that need to be converted.  The team area actively working in this space, but making sure they are correctly converted takes some time.

Thanks for checking.   

Cheers,

Rachel

Great feature!

Manual converted is a very tedious job. I would recommend some kind of automatic converted. The following list is actually very good for this:

https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=music-video&mode=detail&page=1&ref_=kw_nxt&genres=Short

Only music videos as genre short and this keyword. The error rate should be less than 0,5%.

Just a little tip. 

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback. The team has another session on this tomorrow. 

We started with all the titles that fitted the above pattern (plus title_type=video), and had a title text of <Artist>: <Song>.  That got us the first 25K, after we manually checked them and migrated them in small batches.

This query Sort by Popularity - Most Popular Short Movies and TV Shows tagged with keyword "music-video" - IMDb shows a remaining 50K, which we need to work through (and excludes the 25K where title_type= music_video we already migrated).

Appreciate the tip.

Cheers,

Rachel

Sounds good. Thanks for the answer.

This narrows it a little bit further (with Music genre added since they should have it): https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=music-video&mode=detail&page=1&genres=Short%2CMusic&title_type=video&sort=moviemeter,asc

Thanks! You're right!

Unfortunately, some music videos were entered as short films or have no genre music or something.

https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=music-video&mode=detail&page=1&title_type=short&sort=moviemeter,asc&ref_=kw_ref_typ

and there are 100s music videos without the keyword music-video and without an artist in the title.

@nicmos Yes, the team did another pass today, looking for the <Artist>: <Song> pattern, for people we were able to determine were Artists.  We ordered these by Artist and have just completed the migration from Adele to ZZ Top.  We now have just over 50K Music Videos listed -> Music Video (Sorted by Popularity Ascending) - IMDb

There are live examples where the title is a music video and is not pre-fixed by the artist name that we are looking into.

We have also spotted that the search that is limited to the title type 'Video' is also returning 'Music Videos' (which makes this harder), the team is looking into it.

Really appreciate your feedback and ideas.

Cheers,

Rachel

@bderoes Thanks.  We should not be appending 'short' after Music Video on name pages.  We spotted this late in the launch cycle and have a task to fix in the coming days.

(I can also see some Adele Music Videos we missed too in your screen grab, I'll go an fix them now).

Thanks for the feedback.

Cheers,

Rachel

@bderoes They are fixed now (I don't have the "Display credits separately for Movie and TV preference set").

@mbmb Thank you for feedback.  We've updated the guide.

Cheers,

Rachel

+1, new title creations with Music Video type do not get Short genre added. Would like a clarification if we need to add it.

Hi,

As Music Videos are a stand alone type, they do not require the short genre to be added.

I'll reply to your other post inline.

Cheers,

Rachel

@mbmb Hi, yes, this is a bug.  The team are tracking this to fix.  Thanks for the heads up.

Cheers,

Rachel

@mbmb Yes, this is a bug.  The team are tracking this to fix. Thanks for the heads up.

Cheers,

Rachel

@mbmb Do you have an example?

@Rachel Yes, two examples:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14377422/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14301734/

can post more if needed.

@Rachel Above examples (and others I stumbled upon) seems to be fixed now.

@mbmb 

Hi,

As Music Videos are a stand alone type, they do not require the short genre to be added (which was implemented in the contribution interface), and we have removed the Short genre from the live titles.

I understand your concern that as part of the data clean up post launch, that prior submissions that were showing in your history now show as declined.  Unfortunately we do not have a way to change that, but there will be no other impact as the data was removed due to a change in policy.

One other item that we have noticed today, is that there are a number of live Music Videos with an extremely high running time, we are looking into these today.

Thanks for all the feedback to date, unlike the Podcast launch, there are a lot more moving pieces to this title type.

Cheers,

Rachel

You don't seem to have a definition of music videos or their length.

The term long-form music video is sometimes used, so it's not obvious that music videos can't be long. The Grammys used that name for many years, but changed it to "music film". They don't seem to provide a definition.

The Latin Grammys have this distinction:

BEST SHORT-FORM MUSIC VIDEO

For music videos containing only one song.

BEST LONG-FORM MUSIC VIDEO

For music videos containing more than one song or track.

If you only mean to include short-form music videos, I guess you could use this one-song definition or a running time limit.

@Rachel OK if that's the decision, fine but I hope these mass deletions wouldn't cause us trouble in our future submissions because of our hurt accuracy rating. I feel like I already started to get more illogical declinations.

Also I agree with Peter, a definition would be nice (also a note to the Short genre definition in Genre guidelines that says it should not be added to music videos). Because I'm almost sure these deleted Short genres will be re-added soon by contributors who are racing for end of year Top Contributor status.

Was there a reply about long-form?

Would an opera recording to video, which is genre Music of course, be a Music Video? How about a concert performance (no costumes/sets/action, just singers at podiums)?

Operas definitely have stories. Some are filmed on locations (example). 

The guide doesn't quite cover them (except the concerts and/or live performances); I think it would be worth adding the word "operas" to the exceptions:

Updated 18-November-2021 - Continuing with our expansion of content types on IMDb -- we have fully launched a new title types for Music Video. There is a new option available within our New Title Form

The Music Video title type should be used to represent an official video for a single song or musical number as released by the artist. For example, Justin Bieber: Ghost (2021). It can also be used for filmed live or studio performances for single songs; for example: The Beatles: Let It Be (1970).

It can be used for both horizontal and vertical format music videos, but should not be used for unofficial internet videos like fan made content or live-streamed performances.

All other types of music video should be submitted as Made for Video, with the Music genre added. 

Examples where Made for Video is appropriate include: 

• Musical compilations or montages (where more than a single song or musical number are performed in a single video)
• Live concerts
• Official trailers for albums or singles
• Performances of classical or instrumental music set to video footage 

@bderoes 

The definitions must have been added yesterday; the date at the top of the page confirms that the page was updated.

I have a small problem with the part about Made for Video: It might be read as saying that all concerts and other types should be Made for Video, but they can also be TV or theatrical releases. 

@daniel_francis_gardecki I think main reason for not allowing trailers is they are part of the actual title that is or should be on IMDb. So there won't be any unnecessary duplication.

Here it says "Official trailers for albums or singles" an album or single can't have an IMDb page and they are audio-only so a video trailer can't duplicate anything from them. A trailer for an album or single must be an original video work, so eligible.

I think that's the justification for that example. It does not imply suddenly all trailers became eligible, it says "for albums or singles" (teasers for music videos shouldn't be eligible either)

But I must say, putting it there worries me because people may see it as an indication that trailers are allowed and start to flood the site with movie trailers.

@Rachel​ 

As Music Videos are a stand alone type, they do not require the short genre to be added (which was implemented in the contribution interface), and we have removed the Short genre from the live titles.

Several thousand music video still have the Short genre applied to them, as can be seen in this link. 

@MarkC 

You're responding as though you're an employee, but you have no such designation on Sprinklr.

@bderoes I can confirm that MarkC is an IMDb team member, we'll get the Employee badge sorted on Sprinklr.

Cheers,

Rachel

@MarkC

There is a serious issue you need to address ASAP. Well, it was not and never an issue but suddenly became an issue because of some staff members. After having problem with correcting unneeded (uncredited) attribute for artist on a music video, I requested from support to amend the declined correction attempts.

But it was the most frustrating thing ever to try to deal with them and their canned-response spams and their insistence to NOT LISTEN and NOT UNDERSTAND.

I'm giving them names of employees they can consult, I'm telling them they can consult Will because he has responses on this forum about music videos and commercials being exceptions and not needing uncredited attributes. It was also something confirmed by Jaime to me from the contact desk previously. There are both employee responses and user responses about it here on this forum. Your guidelines do not say add them with uncredited attributes, in fact (Example of music video credit) shows how they should be added, and it's not with uncredited attributes. I try to explain why they are exceptions in detail but Elizabeth and others who take power from her behaviour REFUSE to listen and understand and then goes into ignoring my messages and even my irrelevant issues for days with very hostile behaviour.

They keep spamming canned responses that say "anything that's not on ending credits roll should have uncredited attributes" despite that's not true, there are exceptions, like documentary spoken name exception for example, which was also something I had trouble trying to explain for days to same employee, they DON'T LISTEN, she kinda says she doesn't care what other employees like Will say, only ending credit roll matters. I try to explain that almost none of the music videos have ending credits roll, that's why they are exceptions but I'm only facing a stubborn, hostile attitude to not listen to anything.

Same employee previously argued with me that "Is" should be capitalised as "is" in title texts. Guidelines are there, it's written how things should be capitalised but no, I'm trying to tell an editor what she's saying is not true for days which is something written clearly in guidelines in multiple pages. The same one who insists on not listening or understanding even when she was told employee names she can consult about it. This is only one example of many more to show there is a serious training issue with staff over there.

If this is not addressed ASAP, I will need to start adding uncredited attributes to all credits on all titles under music video type. "Adele: Easy on Me" example you use in the OP for example, that music video does not have an ending credits roll, so we will need to add uncredited attributes to every single credit on that title page. Will it be approved if I attempt to do that or all declined? I say it would all be declined.

Hi @mbmb,

Sorry to hear about this frustrating experience. I'll sync with our support team to clear up any confusion around this and get back to you.

Thanks,

Mark

@MarkC What happened to this?

Hi @mbmb,

We are still working through the policy guidance on this. While most music videos do not have credits, some do. So there is potentially value in being able to make a distinction between them. We'll provide definitive guidance in the new year, once we have worked through the nuances and implications.

Thanks @aicardigianluca and @jasu_keisa for highlighting this issue. I'll ask the team to take a look and will come back with an update.

Just wanted to confirm that this is a bug and it has been passed to the relevant team to fix.  

Thanks again for flagging it!

This wouldn't really be a problem if the short music videos were still listed as shorts.