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Korean cast lists keeps getting rejected
I've decided to engage in the completely thankless task of fixing up IMDb's cast lists for Korean movies. However, I keep getting rejected due to, quite frankly, laziness on behalf of the IMDb staff. I'm currently working my way through "Train to Busan" and has hit a road block. The actor "Joo Kwang-Hyun" (주광현), entered into IMDb as "Kwang-Hyun Joo" in accordance to your naming rules. And I'm kinda at my wits end for this. In the cases when I'm trying to add new cast member to the movie I can maybe understand if even further evidence is necessary. But all I'm trying to do is to change the order number for the cast member in the cast list.
This is the message I attached to the updated last time:
"Highlighting his position in the cast list in this picture: https://ibb.co/GPQFMBr
Also, with some quick mental math you can quickly find that his cast list position is indeed 132. The "regular" cast members cover position 1-50. First survivor credits starts at 51. There are 10 full rows of survivor credits and 6 names in each row. 10x6=60 and then there's an 11th row with 2 for a total of 62. 50+62=112 and that is where the survivor cast list finishes. Then we have one solid line of "Vacationing College Student" which is another 6 people and thus 118. Then 8 "Baseball Team" credits which takes our total to 126. Joo Kwang-Hyun is then the 6th name in the infected credits list meaning he is in credits list position 126+6=132. Should be easily verifiable now."
This should be plenty sufficient. I've submitted a screenshot of the cast list. I've highlighted the name in said cast list. I translated the name of the cast member so that an English speaker can easily read it. I've even explained a good and fast way for the IMDb staff to confirm the cast member's position in the cast list. I really don't know what else to do. And if the only reason for rejection is that the cast list is in hangul, then that is absurd. It's a Korean movie, Korean movies have cast lists in hangul. If you can't confirm those cause you can't read hangul, hire someone who can read hangul.
djungelurban
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6 years ago
I may also add this is hardly the first time I've had Korean cast lists rejected. Even though I usually provide screenshots of cast lists, or find secondary Korean sources, or both, they're often rejected, presumably on the basis that hangul is hard and confusing apparently. It was just that this case was especially notable seeing how there's literally nothing I can provide that could improve the my explanation. The actor is already listed in the cast list and I provided a screenshot confirming his position in said cast list, it's literally inconceivable for me that there's any other thing I could possibly add as proof.
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Vincent_Fournols
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6 years ago
(I do not think that IMDB can sustain its objective to be the most comprehensive and accurate entertainement database "in the world" without setting up editors dedicated to specific languages and markets.)
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Grayson
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6 years ago
Hey - I'd like to take a look at your original submission. Can you copy in the 18 digit reference here?
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djungelurban
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266 Points
6 years ago
And the "201108-214744-790000" update has been rejected a third time. Do I have to make these kinds of pictures again that I ended up having to do when I completed the Oldboy's cast list previously:
https://ibb.co/2tQ6Kz3
https://ibb.co/tpJnfRZ
I mean, it felt both disrespectful and obnoxious to send these, not to speak of it was really boring and annoying to make, but it did work. I mean the update was indeed approved afterwards last time. Although I rather not have to, these updates can take several hours to double check and source as it is, and if I have do a little photoshop project at the end that's gonna add atleast another hour of wasted time.
I saw these to previously posted topics:
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/lack-of-korean-tv-and-film-information/5f4a79ae8815453dba85cf08
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/korean-tv-and-film-information/5f4a796d8815453dba7cabad
The replies seemed to indicate that all one needed to do to fix the bad Korean credits list was to just send in updates and it would be immediately fixed and the reason why the cast lists are so poor is because users are too lazy to make any effort. Well, I think it's perfectly clear that the problem doesn't actually lie with the users. Rather the only reason why the Korean credits are so lackluster is because every time any user tries to fix things they get promptly rejected, ignored and/or just generally disrespected and they get so discouraged that they end up never wanting to try help out ever again. I'm doing all I can here to not get discouraged here myself too, but you sure seem to be doing your best to kill my enthusiasm too...
(Also, how about the fact that Oldboy, a movie that's so well known and popular that it's even included in the header pic on this very page didn't get its cast list completed until 2 weeks ago, after 17 years after its original release and only after I had been forced to fight tooth and nail to get the update through. It's as if someone on the IMDb side has some kind of personal vendetta against all things Korean.)
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djungelurban
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266 Points
6 years ago
201114-192132-820000
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djungelurban
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5 years ago
Oh.My.God! The like 8th resubmission of the exact same update suddenly, randomly, got approved! Would anyone like to explain why it was approved this time? Like, did some kind of internal policy change? Or is this just how I have to do things from now on? Perpetually resubmitting like a crazy person until someone eventually, randomly, decides "Ok, yeah, that seems good enough".
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djungelurban
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266 Points
5 years ago
Another month, another movie, another string of endless rejections despite plenty of evidence submitted. This time it's "Memories of Murder" that's stuck in eternal submission limbo... If only IMDb staff would be cooperative rather than antagonistic... I'd be like 50-60 movies down by now instead of, you know, 5...
201228-144333-554000
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