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Issue with how Comma's are displaying.

Hello.

Recently I've been noticing that when I add credits including a comma, some are approved onto the site with a slash instead.

For example. I add 'Self - Director, Main Title Sequence'. Exactly as it appears onscreen but, it shows up on the site as 'Self - Director/Main Title Sequence' and even worse on the series page as 'Main Title Sequence/Self - Director'.

So why are comma's being altered to slash's by your system all of a sudden?

I tried to correct one lot here with the same query but it was declined #211102-100431-813000

Is this intentional or a bug?

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I’m a bit confused about the ”Self” part. You appear as ”yourself” in some documentary etc? Or did you worked as a director for ”Main Title Sequence”?

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In a "making of" documentary or a companion series it is common for some of the crew of the subject show to appear in interviews or describing their role.

For example, various choreographers on Strictly Come Dancing appear on the companion It Takes Two series and have an on screen caption with their name on the first line and "Choreographer" underneath. I submit these as "Self - Choreographer". The problem seems to be where that role contains a comma in the on screen credits and that is entered exactly.

I suspect that submitting with a colon in place of the comma might avoid the problem but at the expense of not being exactly what is in the credits.

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@daniel_francis_gardecki second lines of on screen captions are not always helpful. for example:

"Self - How's your wife doing?" is not a particularly useful character name.

On that series, all the competitors and their pro partners have an on screen caption where the second line is usually a play on their name and to do with the last dance they did or a judge's comment. I do not think it is particularly helpful to those looking at their credits to include all that.

I think it would be useful to have some clarification the policy from IMDb staff here.

For the particular issue of the comma that started this thread, using the style that would be preferred in the occupation field of a crew credit rather than exactly what appears on screen may avoid the problem of the comma being converted to / (which changes the meaning completely). Input from staff on what is the right thing to do here would be useful too.

Meanwhile, I am going to go and submit a correction in the hope of removing an '(uncredited)' from a cast credit where the person was named by the presenter introducing a video clip. I think that is sufficient to add an order number as well which would solve the problem of choosing an order number for the person credited in an on-screen caption later.

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@owenrees Yes, just to quickly reply to questions here somewhat. That is correct, I added credits to a making of, several credits required a comma, never a problem before, but now half the credits went in with a comma as intended and the other half the comma was altered to a slash splitting their one role into two. No idea why this occurred or why it affected only some them.

I have managed to get all but one of these errors fixed but I still don't know if it was a bug or an intentional change carried out by an IMDb editor for reasons unknown.

Hopefully a staffer can reassure us soon that it won't be a problem in future.

Thanks for all your replies.

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Yes, I also use common sense when adding info from the ”second line” (let alone third, fourth etc). Not everything that is listed on-screen should be listed to IMDb. There are no ”rules” for that.

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Hi, VonPunk:

I sincerely hope that this is just a bug.

I still remember when, years ago, the prohibition of using parentheses in character names was radical (except exclusively to identify the segment of the movie in which they appeared) and they were mostly replaced by hyphens. For example, 9 years ago I sent a contribution (120729-211052-459000) to correct the cast of the movie 7eventy 5ive (2007), in whose on-screen credits several characters have parentheses in their names. Today you can still see how those characters were stored then¹.

In the following years, even though that rule is still supposed to be in force, I have noticed how it has been relaxed, as the "exactly as they are on-screen" rule has become universal for most of the fields in our beloved database (in the past there were more exceptions or particular cases that had to be dealt with). And I started to notice the presence of correctly placed parentheses (if we stick to the credit titles) in character names of not precisely obscure or little known titles, but of renowned movies, which passed the editors' filter not only once (although these cases are theoretically scrutinized more closely), but possibly more than once (being known titles, someone would possibly notice the "mistake" and propose to change the parenthesis for a hyphen; being rejected).

Therefore, I began to assume that "parentheses should only be used to define segments" was one of those old rules that were still written in the guides because nobody had yet realized that it had to be rewritten according to the new code of standards, and I myself began to follow the norm (not written, but applied in practice) "if the name has parentheses in the credits, it will have them in the title page", and so far all the ones I have sent have been accepted (I haven't found many either, to be honest, since they are more abundant in documentaries and series, and I usually audit more films).

I have explained all the above because I have the impression that something similar happens with commas, that is, that the "exactly as on-screen" rule prevails. Moreover, as a final litmus test, 6 months ago I audited the cast of the episode Sante Kimes of the series "Diabolical Women" (2015), as part of the task of cleaning up a person's made-up profile, and I found two character names that contained both commas and parentheses and, as you can see, they processed without a hitch.

I take this opportunity to remember that the attribute (also archive footage) is still not displayed on the page, and this is a problem reported by @adrian (and interested by @Marco and @nikolay_yeriomin) that has been unresolved for almost 4 years (with a ticket supposedly open).

Therefore, since the trend is to go the "as on-screen"-route, I would not want commas in character names to be changed automatically and certainly would not support in any case the automatic change for a slash, as that would be aberrant in terms of data classification. I would certainly understand more scrutiny by the editor (e.g. mandatory screenshot) of that contribution before approval.

¹By the way, using the Wayback Machine, I see that sometime between 29 Aug 2013 and 2 Feb 2014, someone vandalized some character names and the order of most of the actors, I guess annoyed by the fact that the alphabetical order, which is the correct one in this case according to the on-screen titles, has relegated Rutger Hauer to position #13 and Gwendoline Yeo to the bottom of the list. I have sent 211106-144435-102000 to fix the order. However, I've always had a question: doesn't IMDb keep the images we submitted as evidence? I mean, in 2012 I included a Tinypic link (now resubmitted to Imgur) with the above capture to support the modifications I made (I bothered to merge the scrolling title captures to create a single image, including the order numbers) and in a quick way the data manager could have verified that the further changes were probably not correct, and returned the irritating "Unable to verify" which would have been appropriate at the time.

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Hi, Daniel.

No cast correction has been declined (yet) because the contribution is still pending...

Of course the original screenshots (which I linked in the submission) have enough quality to be viewed properly (see https://imgur.com/a/Wvbiypt). This "new GetSatisfaction" compresses the attached images brutally; that didn't happen with the previous version of the GetSatisfaction forum.

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Hi VonPunk & All -

To help clarify the correct credit display, our policy to replicate exactly what is seen within the onscreen credits stands for the usage of comma's, and these credits should not have been replaced with parenthesis (we have specific rules where parenthesis are applicable, and they are not applicable in this instance).

I just reviewed the episode title page and can confirm that the cast credits are now correctly displaying the comma's.

If you continue seeing this problem re-occurring (where comma's are being replaced with slashes), post the 18-digit submission reference numbers here associated with the updates and I can investigate further.

Cheers!

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@Michelle Thank you Michelle. Sorry for the late response I had issues on my end getting onto the forum for a few days. I have not yet had any further issue with comma's but I've not submitted many if any, but I will let you know if it reoccurs.

However, one of the original credits where the problem occurred, i have tried several times to submit a correction to return the slash to a comma, even adding a screenshot to it to show exactly how it should look but this one keeps being declined, latest reason 'badly formatted'. All the rest are fixed now.

If you can help, here's the sub number #211109-171400-205000

Thanks again.

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Hi @VonPunk -

My sincere apologies for the delayed reply.  I just reviewed the credit and can confirm that it is now formatted correctly.  Cheers!