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Sunday, June 5th, 2022 11:14 PM

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Invalid Attribute (also archive footage)

When did this happen and why? I've used it many times and it is a useful attribute to me so why is IMDb now banning it?

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I agree (also archive footage) is a valid attribute. It gives you much more information than if the attribute isn't there. The statement that "it is redundant to specify archive footage if the person also appeared on-screen in original footage" is simply untrue. Specifying archive footage means that the person ALSO appeared in archive footage, apart from appearing in original material. Not having the attribute strongly suggests the person did NOT appear in archive footage, only in original material. As we all know, this isn't always the case, so an attribute is needed for cases like this.

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3 years ago

Almost two weeks and no official response as to why this attribute went away?

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Two months and not a single word from an IMDb rep?

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Hi @adrian @Marco - So sorry for the delayed response. It does make sense on why it would be an useful attribute, a ticket was created to the concerned team to reconsider our policy on this and remove the block that the attribute has, will let you know as soon as there is any update. Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ Thanks a bunch!

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@Marco​ @adrian Hi- From our investigations we found that (also archive footage) was never an officially recognized attribute - we never listed it in our help guides. It was just one which sprung up from a handful of contributors who presumably saw that we had an (also as...) attribute (which does have a genuine business need for logging a person's akas) and mistakenly thought that that format applied across the board. So the (archive footage) attribute is used as a qualifier against a credit, to indicate that yes this person is in this title and receives a credit, but that they didn't actively participate in its production. In that respect it's similar to the (voice) attribute, which denotes that yes this person is credited in this title, but you only hear their voice, they do not appear on screen. If a person actually records footage for a title then that qualifier becomes redundant - our credit is highlighting that the person was an active participant. The fact that clips from past productions may also be shown isn't relevant to how we display their credit (these would just be listed as movie connections). It's the same way that we don't use an (also voice) attribute to indicate that sometimes you will hear a person but not see them - it's just redundant information at a credit level, which causes unnecessary clutter. So we understand your points of view and appreciate the feedback, but in this case we will not change our policy regarding the attribute. Thanks!

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@Bethanny​  I find it pretty disheartening that IMDb has removed useful information and will prevent useful information from being added for no apparent reason.

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@Bethanny If a person actually records footage for a title then that qualifier becomes redundant Obviously, it's up to IMDb to decide its policy, but in cases where a person actually records footage as well as appearing via archive footage, the attribute (also archive footage) is NOT redundant because it gives MORE information than not having the attribute at all. The fact that clips from past productions may also be shown isn't relevant to how we display their credit (these would just be listed as movie connections). Not in all cases the contributor knows from which title a clip was, which means it's not always possible to add a movie connection.