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In all sincerity, I ask...

What are the "several reputable movie sources” and what "indisputable evidence” are used by IMDb staffers to determine decisions? I realize that on-screen credits are reliable, but what “reputable movie sources” and what “indisputable evidence” are actually used?

The information would be of much value to contributors as a way of avoiding unacceptable and unnecessary submissions,  Show some respect for contributors by "revealing” this “secret” information.  Or, are these just “catch phrases” used as a method of justifying decisions?

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Good sources are Homepages of the Movie, Short Film, Series and so on, Festiival pages, Pages of TV Sttations for TV titles, comnonlly known pages like Fernsehserien.de here in germany, with a very very big database and Screenshots of the credits too, when you start bt submit you have to prove everything nearly, later its getting a bit easier

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I would wager that the vast majority of titles DO NOT have homepages, especially the vast majority of older and less-well-known titles.

Are you an IMDb staffer?  I am requesting to know what THEY use for validation.

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no i am not

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@bradley_kent​ and i told you other sources, if they dont accept an title, post here in the Forum, you mustnt have all datas of a movie. I did add Movies shown on Festivals more than 20 years ago, where i havent had much more than the title

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@bradley_kent 

We have clashed in the past but I say this with sincerity.

Let it go.

Find another online hobby where your dedication is actually appreciated.

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What? Why should he do that? To be fair, he probably isn't the only one around here with an axe to grind with Amazon/IMDb, or trying to get answers to very old questions.

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@jeorj_euler 

But is he ever going to get anywhere?

I'm serious here; for once I'm NOT trying to be a pri**. Just realistic.

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I do sort of worry that dementia or mild post-traumatic stress disorder might be involved. One major problem, so to speak, is that there are hardly any great alternatives to IMDb for people who take an interest in the technical and participatory underpinnings of a wide variety of movies and television shows from all around the world in photograph history. To make matters worse, some of the most popular Web search engines seem to have all kinds of problems in returning results that contain much more information than fluff or opinion.

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Apparently, before my time, there were IMDb discussion boards, but they were done away with, I believe sometime c.2015.

Many of the former contributors from there now participate on another site.

I'll say no more, lest I run afoul of the rules.

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Yeah, we were scattered into the wind. I'm well aware of several of the refuges of IMDb BBS participants, as we were sorting that out in the last weeks of the then-oncoming sunset. ACT and I apparently kept a list of domain names. However, all that wasn't my point so much as IMDb itself even without the messages boards being very unique, and petty much the only one-stop shop for learning about or expanding the body information related to screenwriters, cinematographers, animators, music composers, stunt doubles, foley artists, so on and so forth, from around the world.

I'm not too clear on what the rules are concerning identification of these refuges, as none of these rules are recorded anywhere, but I've pointed out at least once that one of them is not only an operational forum but effectively vaguely serves as a mirror for every thread and every message post that hadn't been deleted from IMDb's site-native message boards prior to the closure, with the exception of anything from the old Contributors' Help board. Conversations from over a decade ago can be continued, as such. The IMDb company didn't give permission for existence of such a thing, though. More importantly, the people whose posts have been mirrored didn't all consent to it either, and probably the only way for somebody to edit or remove his or her old posts is to sync with the forum clone so as to gain control of the corresponding posting account. One of them provides somewhat clear instructions on on to do this, but another one of them doesn't.

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@jeorj_euler

Online communities, including even those not affiliated with any commercial activities, operate in much the same way as entities such as businesses, law enforcement and the military.

There are hierarchies, and information is only provided on a need-to-know basis.

Regular users, at the bottom of the hierarchy, know very little.

People with some additional privileges, like the Champions and Poll Board Admins here, know a little more. Disclosing what they know to the masses will come with, at minimum, loss of said privileges, if not outright banishment.

Then come admins, super admins, or whatever their equivalents are on a given forum. Again, they are prohibited from disclosing information to those lower in the hierarchy.

The very *existence* of the "competing" sites we mentioned is not something that Management desires we know about; hence there will be no explicit rules referencing them; only disappearing posts, warnings and bans.

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@NYVKE​ i think he shouldnt go, maybe he has movies we dont know about and which would be missing here than, there are so many titles missing in movies from all over the world, i try to add missing short films from time to time, i got some festival catalogues from a big international short film festival in München from 1998 to 2002 for example where many movies are not here till now for sure and there are many other short film festivals, i did read for example that Interfilm gets many thousand entries for the festival every year, many of the shown movies are missing there too and so on and so on

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I don't think any great contributor should go, but several of the things the company has done and will continue to do is driving some people away, even if temporarily, but only supposedly a very small number. The way the contribution stats look, apparently the database is held together by a relatively small percentage of high volume contributors anyway. Then there are also parts of the site that only staff members or maybe seasonal contractors, rather than unpaid volunteers, can contribute to anyway.

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@jeorj_euler​ an good example of things which are missing is a concert movie from 1989 which i found 2 hours ago, which was shown on ARTE this year, i dont know when and where it was shown in the USA, it was recorded live in New Orleans in 1989, but i have all datas of the Crew and the artists and will add it now than with release date USA 1989 and the german and French release dates

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Good on you, tatjana1984. I usually only find short movies or documentaries that haven't yet been added to IMDb.

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@jeorj_euler​ me mostly too, but some smaller german Cinema Releases too and French Concert Movies from ARTE which are missing till now, i learned reading french cause of IMDB, i cant speak or understand nearly one word but i can read it

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@jeorj_euler​ the concert movie is accepted already, great

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@jeorj_euler​ there are many german TV Documentaries outside ARTE missing, many documentary Miniseries too

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O, I would imagine so.

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@jeorj_euler​ but i do work on existing series and movies too when datas are missing, many series have no or not all episodes for example

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I've noticed that, especially with material predating the turn of the millennium, but even some more recent entries that are foreign to the United States have the same issue.

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@jeorj_euler​ yes i am working on a german documentary series partly where still over 800 Episodes are missing, it started in 2017

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@jeorj_euler​ before i add the missing ones, i have to look for the ones which are double cause off that they are added under french title, cause its an series for Arte, than i will add the missing episodes numbers, than the missing episodes and look if I can find not longer on ARTE available Episodes on other services like Youtube, Dailymotion and so on, if i cant find credits for episodes I write to the production company sometimes.

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@tatjana1984​ at moment I work on a Opera Movie from Belgium

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2 years ago

Hi @bradley_kent & All -

Thanks for raising these questions and contributing to the discussion.

Concerning evidence, this is a crucial factor in ensuring IMDb is an authoritative source for movies, TV Shows, entertainment, etc., and with so many titles out there we encourage evidence to help verify that information.  Certainly, on-screen evidence is preferred, although we do consider other sources depending on the data type.   I can't provide a specific list of all the sources (as this list would be exhaustive) and we handle all submitted information on a case-by-case basis, but I can provide a select sample based on some of the recent challenges you encountered with your submissions, such as "Genre" (note in a previous thread I had mentioned that some genres are subjective, so that needs to be accounted for as well, as well as our guidelines). 

To help verify the genre of an older title, I would suggest:

- AFI - American Film Academy (if the title is American) or a similar database for another country.

- Reputable media/news articles that had reported on the title and mentioned the genre.

- Any festival sites/details where the title was nominated or awarded under a related category

- Information directly from the distributor website or production company website

- Any marketing material during the time of the titles release

- Reputable published media reviews of the title mentioning the genre

- Official websites, can be for the title or a network title page (ex. TCM - Turner Classic Movies, Nickelodeon, etc.)

These are just some examples for this particular data type.  If you have specific questions related to declined submissions where you would like to know what further evidence would be useful, you are welcome to ask in the community and our staff can help further.

Concerning finding answers to question, our staff within the community will actively advocate for answers and help make the information more readily available.  Likewise, if there are policies, processes, or features where improvements can be made, raising and discussing these topics here is ideal so our staff can highlight and address them with the appropriate teams.