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How do I report people with entirely fake credit pages?

I noticed a few times there are people on IMDb whose entire page is fake. Full of credits which are made up.

Usually I stumble upon them, when they add themselves to movies I track. When I have their credits removed, I used to add in the comment of that credit removal that this person has likely an entirely fake credits page and the other credits aren't real either. But in all cases, this got ignored beyond the removal of that specific credit and their pages continue to exist.

Here is an example of a fake page: https://pro.imdb.com/name/nm1980968/credits (either most credits are fake or all)

I haven't really checked each credit per se, but most of them don't pass the smell test. Like, how can you have a "The Producers Wish To Thank" credit for movies which don't have credits (eg. 'Batgirl' which never got finalized because it got shelved) or haven't even filmed (eg. 'Gladiator 2' or 'The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny, and Murder' which doesn't even have a script yet, or 'Killers of the Flower Moon' and many more). Or have a Executive In Charge Of Production credit on movies which haven't fllmed yet (like 'Untitled Alien Prequel' which isn't going to happen at all). Or have a huge amount of, mostly uncredited, Post-production Coordinator credits (for all those big budget movies from the 'Ghostbusters Sequel' over 'Kraven The Hunter' and 'The Expendables 4' to 'Gran Turismo'). Or an uncredited Creative Director on 'Oppenheimer' which also doesn't have any credits yet because it's not finished. Or 44 (!) credits as 'Netflix Movie Fraudster (uncredited)' and 24 (!) as 'Pro Russian Propagandist (uncredited)' on a wide range of entertainment and news shows.

Each one of those credits doesn't pass a smell test for a person being a total nobody with past credits of equally silly and otherwise uncredited roles (which I would guess are fake too) as well as credits as 'self'. I don't really get how any of those credits have been approved because one look at the person's IMDb page tells you it's fake.

Anyway, what's the best way of reporting IMDb pages like this?

Thanks.

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You've come to the right place, nightvision25. You taking the time to bring this problem to the attention of the IMDb Community and posing such an important inquiry is much appreciated. Thank you. The IMDb staff is more than willing to purge the database of a IMDb name entry that neither has a single accurate credit represented on it nor pertains to somebody who doesn't deserve the honor of claiming it (thereby allowing it to exist despite being bereft of credits). Unfortunately, for the foreseeable future, every so often, the frauds will be committed and they won't always be immediately caught by the IMDb staff, so volunteers are more than welcome to utilizing this forum to alert the us and the public at large to the frauds. Keep up the good work please.

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@jeorj_euler

Thanks for your answer. Good to know, here is the place to report those accounts/people, although I'm not going to address so many credits in the future because that was basically my question. I sometimes see credit pages where I can say, "this doesn't sound right for reason 1, 2 & 3" without knowing about the individual credits.

Having said that, coming back to my example from above, and I hope you don't mind me being blunt...

I hope, whoever takes care about that person, spends a few more minutes with his credits digging. Because e.g. you can see the guy has supposedly (ie almost certainly fake too) 2 past and 4 upcoming movies where he is supposedly director, writer, producer, sometimes casting director and editor (one feature length movie has a £0 budget). And just based on a random sample, I looked into the crew pages of one of them (https://pro.imdb.com/title/tt3155936/filmmakers) and noticed the Camera and Electrical Department consists of 6 credits: 3 of which are still photographers! And if you look into the credit pages of those 6 people, about half of them has ONLY credits for movies of that person.

In short, even based on that quick random sample, I would bet, that all those movie credits as director are fake and probably a lot of the attached crew are fake profiles as well (and I wouldn't be surprised if that guy also created all those other fake profiles). And other people on the filmmaker side likely have been added without knowing, or might be friends who are happy with the additional credits without actually having done anything.

Sure, some of it might be a bit projecting from me, but it's clear that this particular example hasn't only added a few undeserved credits but built a whole network of people and credits to end up with 165 (!) fake credits on his personal profile alone. And probably a bunch of additional fake title (movie) entries and other fake profiles. So, someone actually tries to get rid of all the fraudulent pages and credits and not just delete the page of that guy and be done with it.

Thanks.

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While the IMDb staff do monitor this forum, nobody as we can see,on the staff has posted a message to this thread yet, but we can expect them at some point (perhaps Monday at the latest) to either do exactly that or quietly resolve the problem. They may have some question if the every nuance of the fraud isn't abundantly obvious.

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@jeorj_euler​ 

Yeah, I hope it gets taken care of appropriately because as you pointed out, none of us can get behind every single credit he claims - that has to be someone from IMDb and ideally someone who is interested in removing all fake entries this guy has created which might reach way beyond his personal page.

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One of the first things I check with fake suspicions is the nmconst or ttconst numbers and how long the name or title was on the site. Because unfortunately nowadays there is almost no control on IMDb, anyone, any fraud or any kid is able to do anything and vandalize the site so easily. I'm sure it wasn't this much easy to do this before like it is now. But now it is. That's why if it's a new/recent name page or title page, it's easy to conclude it's fake/nonsense/spam etc..

But this name page has a very old nmconst number, it's on the site for many years so it shouldn't be so easy to quickly conclude it's all fake. It's just not that sensible that it stays on the database for 17-18 or more years but only gets noticed in 2023. So something must be wrong.

I checked a few producer credits from movies and was able to verify them from onscreen credits. You say "the guy has supposedly (ie almost certainly fake too) 2 past and 4 upcoming movies where he is supposedly director, writer, producer" and "I would bet, that all those movie credits as director are fake" for example but I just checked one past movie from his director credits (Death Walks) and it's easily verifiable. I checked some awards of it (British Horror Film Festival, Terror Film Festival etc.) and I was able to verify these festival screenings and nominations and award wins for the movie and director from official (archived) festival sites. It even has a Wikipedia page (I say "even", because Wikipedia is actually more strict and has some control and it's really not easy to make a new article approved there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Walks)

I checked one upcoming movie (Video Shop Tales of Terror: Lust & Revenge) and that's verifiable too, it has an Indiegogo campaign with backers and his name is mentioned as a director too: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/video-shop-tales-of-terror-lust-revenge

Now the problem is, this page is heavily vandalised by someone. There are dozens of "Pro Russian Propagandist" and "Netflix Movie Fraudster" character named credits added to dozens of titles which is obviously vandalism. It looks like someone is harassing this person via his IMDb name page. When I checked a pre-vandalised state of the page from wayback machine, I didn't really see any nonsensical credits on his page, it was a humble name page with no apparent issue, I didn't see any dishonesty on his name page before it was vandalised by someone else, so I don't think this Spencer Hawken is the one who adds these recent nonsensical credits, I don't think he's trying to inflate his page with false credits. It's probably his stalker/harasser who also vandalised his page with dozens of "Pro Russian Propagandist" type credits. Maybe they try to add these nonsensical credits in addition to vandalised credits in an attempt to make his page deleted entirely.

Anyway bottom line is, what staff needs to do is identify the vandal(s) and delete/revert all of their edits to this name page and then block the vandals/harassers, and then probably put some protection against a further vandalism on this name page. And that would probably make this page look good again.

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Interesting.

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@mbmb​ Thanks for the insight. After having seen so many fake many to have fake credits (although many only in a small way like extras trying to sneak into the regular cast), it didn't occur to me that some people would spend the time vandalizing someone elses page. I just looked at the page and noticed how all his credits didn't make any sense.

That said, although his past movies are "real", the credits I pointed out with three still photographers for a super low budget movie with 6 people in the camera department and who have only credits for his movies, is still a bit suspectable.

Thanks again for providing the info.

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the credits I pointed out with three still photographers for a super low budget movie with 6 people in the camera department and who have only credits for his movies, is still a bit suspectable.

It seems you're talking about this movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3155936/

I see no reasons to find anything suspicious about it. It's easily verifiable, it's available on Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/No-Reasons-Elisha-Applebaum/dp/B08W9WTQS3

I mean, why would it be odd that a low budget indie film has some crew members with only a few credits? I just checked these credits and they are all credited in the movie, see screenshots: https://ibb.co/album/CKj8wY

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@mbmb​ I meant it more like 'are 3 still photographers on an indie realistic' when even big studio productions have usually only 1.

I guess it's irrelevant if they have been doing the actual work or were needed as long as they got the credit which they did.

Considering all the bull**** on his page, my first assumption about anything unusual is rather 'it's fake' than legit. Thanks for checking.

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Hi @nightvision25 -

Thanks for reporting, as @mbmb said this is a case of someone else sabotaging this person's page, which has already been identified and proper steps taken on the account. If there are any remaining unverifiable credits please report them through our online form.

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ Thanks for handling it diligently, it looks like the page was repaired from the sabotage without any damage to the valid credits.

I just submitted deletion for 5 more credits which I think was added during sabotage: 230524-235737-335000

I checked 3 of these from actual episodes, 2 of them is not possible to find but very likely it's part of the vandalism due to theme of the show.

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@Bethanny​ Thanks for taking care of it. Turned out to be a different cause than I thought, but thankfully the person who did it was identified and the issues corrected.

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