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How can a goof addition be turned down when it is based on FACTS!?

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The attempt on Piero's life at the beginning NEVER happened. There was an attempt three years earlier (1466) to overthrow the Medici by Luca Pitti and his supporters but it fell apart without any bloodshed. Just as in season 1, the setup for the second season is based on false information. Factual Mistake
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Reference the book "Magnifico, The Brilliant Land and Violent Times of Lorenzo De' Medici" by Miles J. Unger, chapter 1. There was no attempt to overthrow the Medici in 1469 after the death of Piero.
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First off, instead of saying it doesn't meet contribution guidelines, state EXACTLY what the problem is in declining the addition!  Saying it doesn't meet guidelines doesn't mean a thing unless you say what it the problem is.  I noticed that I slightly messed up the title of the book, it should be Brilliant Life and not Brilliant Land, but it still does not take away from the fact that the assasination attempt on Piero "The Gouty" Medici as seen in S02E01 of the Medici NEVER HAPPENED!  An attempt to overthrow the Medici took place in 1466 but fell apart with no bloodshed.  That is the thrust of the entire first chapter of the book.  Piero Medici did die in 1469, as shown in the family tree on page 451 in the book, but it was due to complications from the gout that he was suffering from, and what also eventually killed Lorenzo "The Magnificent" Medici.
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4 years ago

Hi e8n2 -

Goofs are unintentional errors within the filmmaking process, given that this is a fictionalized series, as Adrian mentioned above we make big allowances for artistic license and suspension of disbelief. 

As this was an intentional plot choice verses an unintentional factual error, this submission is better suited to be added as a Trivia item on the episode title page.

Cheers!

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@Michelle​ I will try to do that the next chance I get, but it is still a bogus reason to turn down a documented, factual error, intentional or not.  Too many people take what they see on TV or in a movie about historical events and totally believe them even if it is something made up out of whole cloth, which is what was done here.  Basic core facts, like the fact there never was an assassination attempt on Piero de' Medici should never be changed just to make it more interesting or exciting to never bothered to learn history.

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4 years ago

Because artistic license and not sticking strictly to history or source material isn't a goof. It's even listed in the guide for goofs.

  • Artistic licence: Please allow for artistic licence on the part of the film makers. Most movies and TV shows are not meant to perfectly reflect reality as you experience it.

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@adrian​ That would mean that you would NEVER be able to add a goof for factual mistakes, anachronistic items, etc, etc, etc.  I have been able to add factual mistakes before.  Some people might not mind being told absolute LIES about what happened before, but unfortunately this series has been chock full of factual mistakes that they really shouldn't have even used the name of Medici.

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@e8n2​ Literally that is the point. Entertainment is not limited by the history it is based on. Unless it is a documentary, factual mistakes on history are artistic license. Next you will tell us that Hitler didn't die like in Inglorious Bastards. Any factual mistakes like this that you have added were added in mistake and will probably be removed by any editor that understands the guidelines.

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Never seen that movie and don't intend too.  Facts are facts.  Hitler shot himself in the mouth in the Führer bunker at about the same time Eva Braun took a cyanide pill.  Any movie that tries to claim otherwise is total BS and pointing out the fallacy of something other than what really happened is required.  Fact is stranger than fiction.  It is time these idiots in Hollywood learned that.

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4 years ago

You feel that movies should follow the historical facts as much as possible. That’s fine, since people can make their own decisions what to watch.

But what is ”goof” on IMDb is a bit different thing.

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@eboy​ So let's do a movie about the Battle of the Little Big Horn.  Just as Custer tries to use his cell phone to call for reinforcements, he is struck in the heart by an arrow and dies.  Not this would not be a comedy or sci-fi, do it as a serious movie but throw in the cell phone.  So what if they didn't have cell phones back then.  How about the next biopic of Lincoln, instead of John Wilkes Booth shooting Lincoln in the back of the head in his box at Ford's Theater, he instead is on the roof of the building across the street with a muzzle loading rifle and and shoots Lincoln as he comes out of the theater.  He can then fire a second shot, even without going through the reloading process for a muzzle loader, and kill Mary Lincoln, thereby saving her from all those years of mental anguish and insanity that she really had after her husband's asasination.  Hey, it's just artistic license.  Minor things, no problem with artistic license.  Basic facts, horse hockey!  Too many people don't bother to learn history and end up believing non-factual things that directors and writers decide to do for the sake of artistic license.  I am going to try a different tact to get my goofs accepted.

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4 years ago

People shouldn’t be ”learning” history by watching fictional movies. Since they’re always fictional, even the ones that are (or at least try to be) based on so-called historical facts. There are plenty of facts and research, but also fictional and dramatized segments, and ”artistic licenses”. Most also have a mixed casting with ”real” and ”fictional” characters (some are somewhere in-between). That’s why they’re called movies: facts and fiction.

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@eboy​ Unfortunately that is exactly what happens.  I can just see Millenials wondering why somebody doesn't use their cell phone in any given situation when watching a movie set sometime before cell phones came along.  A lot of people don't bother to learn history because they think history is just names and dates and is boring.  Then movies or TV shows come along with an interesting story from history but the writers and directors think they have to "spice it up" and veer off from the actual facts, which don't really need spicing up to begin with.