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Sat, Jul 31, 2021 4:41 PM

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Hong Kong movies changed to Hong Kong SAR China

Hello,

You appear to have changed all your Hong Kong movies to being Hong Kong SAR China movies. Please tell me that this is an honest mistake on your part, rather than you have been pressured into doing so by the Chinese government (I know how they operate as our (UK) company received such pressure over our website not labelling things how they liked).

Hong Kong SAR China came in to effect from 1997, so in theory films after that date could be labelled as such. But to label something like Drunken Master (made in 1978) as anything other than Hong Kong is just rewriting history, factually incorrect, and disrespectful to all those involved in making the movie. You don't relabel West Germany films as Germany.

Please can you correct or explain.

Yours sincerely,

Richard

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2 m ago

Well, this is now resolved, so I guess someone at IMBD came to their senses and fixed the issue.

Thanks Michelle for raising it.

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4 m ago

Thanks for pointing this out. IMDb's decision is infuriating.

Frank Beyer's pre-1990 films are still listed as having been made in East Germany, although the country ceased to exist after German reunification in that year.

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But that is surely correct. Countries boundary's and names can change over time. IMDB can't just name everything according to what part or whole of the country is today. A film made in Ukraine (Crimea) prior to 2014 should now be labelled as Russian? Similarly at the time, Germany was two officially separate countries.

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@hanksrw Precisely my point. If Beyer's films are identified as from East Germany, Ringo Lam's should be listed as from Hong Kong. Imagine if a history of Turkey referred to the cities of Byzantium or Constantinople as Istanbul!

But given the political situation, IMDB's decision is indefensible.

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Thanks for the clarification.

If it were country filming location I would understand why it would be updated to modern times, but not for Country of the film. 

btw, this is how IMDb define country:

IMDb defines the country of a title as the place or places where the production companies for that title are based, and therefore where the financing originated.

What if the production company goes bust. Is the country field removed.. IMDb need to sort this out!!!

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https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/countries/GTSW4DN8H8LKCXER#

IMDb's submission process regarding the Country field:

"When entering country information for older titles from countries whose borders have changed over time, please select the name of the country as it was known when the title was produced. For example a title made on the western side of Germany in 1980 should be entered as West Germany whereas one produced in the same location after the re-unification of Germany should be entered simply as Germany."

So what's going on IMDb?

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4 m ago

Hi Richard -

Can you post the IMDb links for some example titles that were recently changed from "Hong Kong" to "Hong Kong SAR China"? 

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Hi @Michelle, here's one instance

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092268/reference

A 1986 Hong Kong production now listed as Hong Kong SAR China.

Or this Jacky Chan film from 1983.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086605/reference

I'm sure you can easily find many more.

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The main title page (new design) still says "Hong Kong". But it's not only the /reference page that has changed, but also:

Release info pages https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086605/releaseinfo

Search results: https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?country_of_origin=HK

IMDbPro: https://pro.imdb.com/title/tt0086605/details

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@Michelle As kinograph says you just need to look at the earlier films of any Honk Kong actor or director. eg, Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Yuen Biao, Andy Lau, John Woo, etc.. It's the whole lot. Thanks.

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4 m ago

Hi Richard & Peter -

Thanks for posting these examples, I have filed a ticket for our tech team to investigate the recent Country changes further; as soon as I have an update regarding these site changes I will relay the information here.