Here we go again...decline first, think later

@Fran​ This makes absolutely no sense.

I put it up because I watched the show (multiple times) and paid attention. I am very familiar with the actor from her work on The Good Place, The After Party and the first episode of Station Eleven (this series). The only possible evidence I could supply would breach copyright, even if I could bypass the DRM. Not sure why she was uncredited, but given that shooting was interrupted by the pandemic (ironic in a show about a pandemic), I'd guess it was simply an admin cock up thanks to the passage of time.

And without the actor, I cannot add the quote, also captured by the cunning ruse of watching the show multiple times (and which is all saved and ready to go... if only I could select the actor).

@jeorj_euler​ There's this fabulous resource where anyone can look all of this stuff up. It's called IMDB. 

Fabulous it may be, but often times, it simply isn't adequate, which I why I'm ordinarily driven to contribute, except I'm starting to lose interest in that.

That's right, mbmb! Excellent point indeed. Julianne Moore performing the voice of ARIA in Eagle Eye is one the the rare cases whereby this was allowed, and understandably since ARIA is among the main characters.

@mbmb​ It wasn't credited (I checked), most likely because the first episode (in which Tiya Sircar is on-screen and credited) was filmed pre-pandemic and I would guess the audio capture was made at that time, when she was available, and it got lost in the mix once filming resumed for the subject episode (ep 7).  It is a voice credit only in the sense that it was the other end of a phone call. It was not a voice-over or the voicing of an on-screen character. But she was uncredited, and the system wouldn't let me add two attributes.

Without the credit, it is impossible to include the quote (which, as noted, is a significant character moment for Frank (because it reveals that he lied in ep1) - because it is impossible to select the actor. 

Based on our Voice guidelines this credit is not eligible to be listed since is not credited on screen.

You can still add the data as a trivia item to the title.

The quote item can still technically be added without linkup to a performer.

@Fran​ You realise that this means that the claim from the link you posted above that "Our aim is to be the most complete and reliable source of movie, TV, and entertainment information on the web." cannot possibly be true, because it prevents good information being added (and in another thread prevents an actor from getting a false credit in his name removed), yes?

This is mind-meltingly bureaucratic nonsense that could be designed to drive good faith contributors away (and you only need to browse this place to see how much it is frustrating people). You understand how absurd this is, right?

@jeorj_euler​ Yes, I've worked out the absurdly cludgy workaround. But there is a better way available being blocked only by a policy blind to what unpaid people are prepared to put up with.

@Fran​ Can you push #230325-010548-505000 through please - I've already wasted enough time on this.

Well, naturally there are justifiable limits to IMDb's completeness, but in the case of uncredited voice performances, I've never seen a need for a policy provision against it, except that it may be hard to be certain of somebody's voice work purely on account of the sound of the voice itself. A similar obstacle exists in regards to uncredited work in deleted scenes, but the policy concerning that scenario makes more sense.

@jeorj_euler​ AI has also become so good at mimicking someone's voice. In this thread I said attached voice credits on a title page was not valid and should be deleted, and then staff deleted them, but she thought "the voices were taken from the original series", I didn't want to reply and clarify they were not even taken from original series, since the credits were deleted and issue was resolved after all. Anyway these voices were actually generated with AI to mimic these known voice artists added to the page, someone who is familiar with the voice artist could think it's really their voice, but it was just generated with AI.

@mbmb​ Yeah, but a simple application of Occam's razor suggests that:

• if it sounds like Tiya Sircar, and Tiya Sircar appeared in a previous episode and her character was established as the sister of the two main characters,
• AND her characters dynamic with the brothers was key to getting them to do as they were told,
• AND her voice was heard (again, over the phone) at the end of the episode in which she appeared,

then the likelihood is that the audio was captured during ADR for the first episode, when Tiya Sircar was available, meaning the probability of it being Tiya Sircar is so close to 1 as to not be an assumption, thus suggesting that the onus should be on finding evidence that it wasn't Tiya Sircar and in the absence of such evidence assume the good faith and basic ability to listen of the contributor (who actually watched the show and liked it so much he watched it again. And then again, this time with a notepad.)

@ShippersAreEvil​ sure, my comment was about the policy itself. I mean things like AI mimicking of voice becoming so good might make the policy justified even more than before. My comment was about that.

The deepfake and the generative adversarial networks (GAN) behind them will become a very big deal in the not too distant future. IMDb will probably be wanting to create a whole new attribute in the filmography item data type just to account for this. With my remarks about policy rationale, I wasn't really thinking about that but merely how easy it might be to find a sound-alike performer or "person who does impressions", which isn't as easy in regards to authentic look-alike people and acceptable decoys or even computer-generated adjustments to the faces of those performers. I also had in mind those situations where fans/contributors mistake one performer for another, enhanced by how they might not have bothered to find evidence to corroborate their perception.

@ShippersAreEvil​ 230325-010548-505000 I can see the Quote was approved and is live on the site.

Cheers!

@gromit82​ Yeah, found it. There was actually a second character (the security guard) also uncredited voice, but that was at least reused audio from the first episode - the point being that this scene shows another person PoV AND that he lied in Ep 1. 

Sometimes we genuinely do not know who it is (a film co secretary did it or something), but here we DO know and it is not 'sleight of hand' in any way, it's just production processes. 

It's just stupid and the entire approach is causing unwarranted frustration and well as damaging the database.