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Guide for submitting online videos

Since last June, videos distributed on YouTube have been able to be listed in IMDb. Previously, there were more rigorous standards for inclusion of online videos, but those standards have been dropped. (The former standards allowed online videos in if they had received significant national-level mainstream media coverage, had someone really famous in the cast or crew, or were official spinoffs of a mainstream theatrical or television title -- there may have been other criteria but I can't remember them now.)

The main discussion of YouTube videos being allowed into the database can be found in the thread at http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/213240313. As staffer Thomas Porter wrote: 

We are not interested in video clips, random camera phone footage, or many of the other bits and pieces that help bump up that 72 hours of footage [added to YouTube every minute]. We are still only interested in complete bodies of work ... and that is what I meant by a ‘considerable amount of work going into making it’. 
I believe that we could also use a guide to submitting online videos as part of the FAQ. In particular, the guide should address the following issues:

1. What title type should be used? Web series are normally treated by IMDb as if they were television series in the title format "Series Title" (2014). By that logic, should single online videos not part of a series be listed as TV movies: Single Program (2014) (TV)? I don't think they are typically listed that way, but it's not clear how they should be listed.

2. What kind of Miscellaneous Links are needed for an online video? While I would prefer if online videos were required to provide a Miscellaneous Link other than a link to the video itself on YouTube.com, if that's all that is needed then the guide should say so.

3. What is considered a "complete body of work"? I realize that there likely needs to be some flexibility in defining it, so I would expect the guide to use words like "usually" and "generally" in this context. Would it be accurate to say that having on-screen titles and credits is a major factor in determining whether an online video qualifies for listing in IMDb?

In addition, there is still a page at http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?online_eligibility which says that the eligibility rules for online titles can be found at http://www.imdb.com/faq/titleeligibility. However, http://www.imdb.com/faq/titleeligibility has been removed and clicking on that link produces a 404 Error.

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Hi gromit82,

Thanks for your comments but what about videos such as these? http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/7fc5490cc9/little-democrats?_cc=__d___&_ccid=ahg9gt.nvtepa This title has no on screen credits so would not be eligible under your proposed draft guidelines.

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Will

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Will: If "Little Democrats: 1st Democratic Debate" were to be left out of the database for lack of on-screen credits, that would not necessarily be an inconvenience to database users. I would guess that one of the reasons why people would want to add it to IMDb, or to look it up in IMDb, would be to give credit to the children playing the candidates, or to find out who they were. But none of them are credited in the video, so apparently Funny or Die didn't care about them getting credit.

Even if someone connected with the production wants to submit those children as (uncredited) cast, they would still need to have at least one credited role in another production before their work on "Little Democrats: 1st Democratic Debate" would be displayed in the database.

And I realize that many here may disagree with me, because Funny or Die is a recognized, professional web site. So I would consider taking a less strict standard than what I have proposed before. But even if we were to stipulate that videos from web sites which distribute professionally made videos are eligible for listing, that shouldn't imply that we also have to accept videos from YouTube, which basically accepts anything submitted to them.

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... But even if we were to stipulate that videos from web sites which distribute professionally made videos are eligible for listing, that shouldn't imply that we also have to accept videos from YouTube, which basically accepts anything submitted to them.
My view:

Creating a YouTube Database ("YTDb"?) should be Google's job.  They own YouTube, and they love to tackle ambitious projects.  They should create YTDb, empowering video makers and users to contribute detailed data about many videos on YouTube.  If this is something that YouTube needs, Google is the company that needs to make it happen.

In an ideal scenario, Google's "YTDb" would usefully expose its data and APIs in an "open" way, and maybe play ball with IMDb and allow for some limited degree of cooperative inter-operation between the two systems.  Ideally perhaps that scenario might be a win-win in the long-term.

Just my opinion.