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Genre Threads that need to be transferred from Contributors Help to here

In the thread at http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/265706940, titled "ANNOUNCEMENT: CH board moving to Get Satisfaction", IMDb staffer ThomasPorter wrote (emphasis added):
As mentioned in the announcement at the top of this board, we encourage you to use this window of time to preserve any threads you find valuable - please do copy and paste them to new questions/ideas on Get Satisfaction if appropriate. If you need any help with this please post the threads you want to keep in the comments below
However, the thread has received so many responses (mostly objections to the closing of the message boards), that it has now gone "read only" and there is no more opportunity to request help with copying old threads over to GS.

I requested help with having the following (entire) thread preserved on the Get Satisfaction board because I don't have a convenient way of doing that myself, and the issue described in it has not been resolved yet:

PENDING: Introducing New Genres
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/165524169

There may be other people who have requests about transferring threads to GS as well, but they don't have the opportunity to do so now that the original thread is closed.

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Hi gromit82,

Of course, it is on our list to preserve the Genres thread. I've tried to copy paste it below, let's see if this works. Can you let me know if any was missed?

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Will, I don't know if it's too late to have a few more threads archived; I've only recently noted that the vast majority of my past Contributors Help messages are gone (no doubt a lot of them have now been preserved here, but there's no way for me to know how many). I'm hoping that if you check in here before Sunday, you might be able to arrange to have a few more archived. In addition to the genre thread that you noted as being archived (imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/165524169), here are a few more:

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/1483900 (genres)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/169281171 (thanks credits)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/175370852 (location tree)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/123865175 (name formatting)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/8384911 (quotes)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/19415162 (genres)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/4410154 (biography: other works)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/152720909 (separating primetime/daytime/syndicated version of series)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/166716430 (system for new name suggestions)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/176441627 (definition for Erotica genre)

imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/176800928 (definition for Experimental genre)

All of them deal with policy and planning issues, and all include input from Col Needham or Jon Reeves (Col bumped a couple of the threads within the last year, requesting staff attention to unresolved issues). I've printed out a lot of these, but obviously archiving them here would be infinitely more ideal.

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Gary: I think that I have reposted all the threads you requested here at GS. The genre-related ones are here in this thread (some of them were already here). The location tree thread is posted within https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/restoring-the-locations-tree. The other ones are all separate threads.

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WIll: Thanks for copying this over here, but the middle of the discussion got cut off. Notice that your first response above ends with the word "Experimental/" -- that was cut off in the middle of a line from http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/165524169?d=166257307#166257307.

Then there are about 50 responses below that which are missing (not counting deleted posts), among them http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/165524169?p=2&d=167398266#167398266 in which the two batches of new genres which made the list of consideration were announced.

And the thread resumes in the middle of a post where staffer jaimie-k announced which genres had actually been approved (http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/165524169?p=3&d=167577501#167577501) with the word "Lifestyle", with the other four genres being cut off from the top of that post.

So I would appreciate it if you would re-copy the thread with the middle being included too.

Thanks!

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OK it looks like I'll have to do this page by page. I'll have another go tomorrow.

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PENDING: Introducing New Genresimage for user jaimie-k by jaimie-k
» Thu Jun 24 2010 02:45:48 Flag ▼ | Reply |

IMDb member since July 2008
Post Edited: Sun Apr 24 2016 06:34:19


Hi all,

Over the last few years, there have been repeated requests on various threads for the addition of new genres. What I'd like to do here is use this thread to come up with a definitive list of new genres you would like to see introduced. (Previous related threads can also be compiled here).

I'd be grateful if you could use the following format:

* New genre suggestion
* Why it should be introduced (Compelling arguments expected ;-)
* Potential number of titles ready to be attached to the new genre.
* Example definition of the new genre (Optional).

Once the list is compiled, I'll submit the most persuasive suggestions to our Data Policy Team for discussion.

Thanks :-)

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user J Spurlin by J. Spurlin
» Thu Jun 24 2010 03:50:22 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Thu Jun 24 2010 03:53:03


Soap Opera

The database could define the Soap Opera this way:

Soap Operas are defined by IMDb primarily, but not exclusively, as daytime serial melodramas that run more than once a week. Exceptions will be made for certain weekly, prime-time shows, but only if they are identical to the typical daytime serial in style and content. TV series only.

It's important to emphasize that weekly, prime-time shows are the exceptions to the rule. That way IMDb can still include series such as Dallas and Dynasty, while excluding shows that no one considers to be soap operas but would still fit a weak definition. Any looser definition of the genre would have people submitting the label to St. Elsewhere, Hill Street Blues, The Sopranos, etc.

1756 titles have the keyword soap-opera (though not all of them should).


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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Thu Jun 24 2010 04:41:07 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Tue Jul 6 2010 01:42:06


Erotica

The Erotica/Softcore genre needs to be introduced primarily because there is a huge number of titles on the IMDb that are currently unclassifiable going by existing genres. These are the types of films I am referring to:

* early 60's nudie cuties
* sexploitation films
* nude model features from the likes of Playboy, Fiona Cooper, Electric Blue, etc
* most films by auteurs like Russ Meyer, Jesus Franco, Jean Rollin, Andy Sidaris, etc

Furthermore, there are a number of films that can only be classified under Softcore/Erotica. The softcore nude model videos being a prime example (unsurprisingly most of these have no genre tag at all at the minute). Currently the IMDb classifies some of the Playboy model profile titles under Documentary, the new genre will allow this ridiculous situation to end. While there are some films such as The Immoral Mr Teas that are currently tagged with Comedy, it does have to be said that in films such as this the comedy element is easily secondary to the erotic content. The film is primarily designed to titillate. Although I think it is important that the genre should be able to co-exist with other genres when appropriate, e.g. Vampyros Lesbos is Erotica/Horror, for example.

We can rule out the use of the Adult tag as this is quite rightly reserved for hardcore pornography. The introduction of this new genre would also help prevent non-hardcore erotic films being incorrectly tagged with the Adult genre.

Definition : A non-hardcore film whose primary purpose is to titillate. This cannot co-exist with the Adult genre except in cases where there is a hardcore alternate version. Subjective.

Link to previous thread on this subject - http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/128941653

I have already compiled a 500+ list of films suitable for the new tag. It was a tough job but someone had to do it.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Thu Jun 24 2010 14:32:22 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Thanks a lot buddy. Appreciated.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user jriddle73 by jriddle73
» Fri Jul 2 2010 08:35:44 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I'll second that excellent suggestion, but I can see a potential problem. A small one, admittedly, and maybe not even one worthy of much consideration, but I'll throw it out there anyway: Some of the movies in question do have some hardcore material, which the "softcore" part of it would seem to exclude. Jess Franco's FEMALE VAMPIRE, for example, would certainly fall under the category, and it was originally a softcore film, but even its softcore version featured at least a scene or two of hardcore fellatio. There are a lot of movies like this, and tons of movies (from the '70s in particular) that were simultaneously shot with both hardcore and softcore variants, which could prove a headache when it comes to classification.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Fri Jul 2 2010 08:57:37 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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You know what mate? That very example had occured to me after I posted the above suggestion. You are quite right to point it out. I too have seen Female Vampire but only in it's softcore version. I think the solution would be that in the cases of alternate versions such as this it would be allowable to add both Erotica and Adult. Common-sense should prevail. Thanks for taking the time to point this out.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user jriddle73 by jriddle73
» Fri Jul 2 2010 09:12:01 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I too have seen Female Vampire but only in it's softcore version.

The hardcore material in question isn't part of any alternate version. The R1 DVD release of the softcore version is incomplete--Image took out those few hardcore parts I mentioned. They're in the actual film, though. My concern with solving this by also adding "Adult" is the same problem as arose with the MPAA and the X rating--"Adult" misrepresents the overall film, the fleshly explorations of which are overwhelmingly softcore. To make it worse, there's also--as with so many other films--an actual alternate hardcore version of the film. And FEMALE VAMPIRE is far from the only example of both such situations (Laura Gemser's EMANUELLE movies, to name another, all--or nearly all--featured two simultaneously-filmed versions of certain sex scenes, one hard and one soft).

I don't know. I think this problem is quite a bit bigger than hair-splitting, but quite a bit smaller than epic scale. There probably isn't any simple solution. There definitely needs to be a genre of the sort you suggest, though.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Fri Jul 2 2010 10:00:09 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Fri Jul 2 2010 10:04:44


I think that the answer to this question is simply to make a judgement call on such films, i.e. it's either Adult or it's Erotica (I do think it's essential that these genres are mutually-exclusive). I did mention that Erotica is a subjective genre and this situation is an example why, i.e. does one fellatio scene in a film made up otherwise of softcore fumblings make it an Adult movie? I think you do have to judge these situations on their individual merits. It is a problem that in the main will be limited to 70's era productions where 'proper films' had hardcore scenes - since the video age, examples of this are few and far between.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Wed Jul 28 2010 05:30:27 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Good question. I haven't seen it myself so don't have an opinion on that particular movie. It depends on how explict and prolonged they are I would guess. It's one of those subjective ones I should imagine. I'm assuming you've seen it, what do you think yourself?

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Wed Jul 28 2010 09:02:45 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Wed Jul 28 2010 14:18:09


Taking the issue objectively then any film with any hardcore scene would result in the film being tagged with Adult. However, I realise that like most things in life, things are rarely that straightforward, and this approach would perhaps result in some movies with very brief scenes of real sex being tagged alongside porn films (and hidden from most users searches on IMDb), and I realise that that might not be strictly for the best. My gut feeling is that there is no easy answer and contributers and genre managers should deal with these instances on their individual merits. But it would be interesting to hear other views on the subject.

Incidentally, as you know there has been a great deal of heated debate about existing genres and how they must be applied to the letter of the IMDb definitions law. I've found it by-in-large quite tedious. However, seeing as the Erotica genre looks like it is going to go live, I personally am looking forward to the more anal contributers sitting with a notepad conducting a nipple-count on films whose erotic credentials are under contention! I would actively enjoy those debates on the CH Board I can tell you, i.e. 'I only counted 17 nipples, 3 butts and a hint of bush, therefore, Erotica is entirely inappropriate for this title!' Much more entertaining than the Horror debate...

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Thu Jun 24 2010 06:33:10 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Thu Jun 24 2010 09:37:05


Experimental

Like other necessary genres, this one would be extremely welcome as it would cater for a number of films that currently are defined in an unsatisfactory way. With this genre I am thinking primarily of art films such as:

Un chien Andalou (Luis Buñuel)
Fando y Lis / La cravate (Alejandro Jodorowsky)
Eraserhead / Inland Empire (David Lynch)
Water Wrackets / Dear Phone / A Walk Through H (Peter Greenaway)
Scorpio Rising (Kenneth Anger)
Empire (Andy Warhol)

Quite often the Fantasy or Drama genres are tagged in the cases of experimental works such as these, which really isn’t accurate or informative. A good example of the current problem is that Empire (1964) is currently labelled a Documentary, which given the current genre options on the IMDb is about as close as it gets, however, I'm sure you'll agree that a 485min long single shot of the Empire State building is not a Documentary, it's an experimental film. A new genre for Experimental/Avant-Garde would allow the removal of spurious genres from such films where they have been applied as a ‘best fit’.

Definition : A film that explores the possibilities of the medium as an art form. One that experiments with non-traditional form and content; often, but not always, discarding conventional narrative. Subjective.


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Re: Experimental / Avant-gardeimage for user sienel by sienel
» Thu Jun 24 2010 15:03:08 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Thu Jun 24 2010 16:06:30


The starting population for an Experimental / Avant-garde genre would be the keyword experimental-film (1,748 titles): http://www.imdb.com/keyword/experimental-film/. Some clean-up would be necessary as the keyword has been a bit too broadly applied.

The IMDb also has the keyword avant-garde (1,326 titles) - http://www.imdb.com/keyword/avant-garde/ - but scanning through some of the titles that looks to be much more haphazardly applied (Evil Dead II, really?).


edited: I should add that surprisingly the two keywords overlap on only 269 titles: http://www.imdb.com/keyword/avant-garde/experimental-film/.

Re: Experimental / Avant-gardeimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Thu Jun 24 2010 15:12:35 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Yeah. That would be a very good starting point. There will be a good number of questionable entries such as the one you mention but I shouldn't think there would be any trouble at all amassing 500+ proper experimental films. Thanks for the heads up.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Mon Jul 5 2010 05:30:08 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Mon Jul 5 2010 05:46:38


I have to respectfully disagree. The problem is that there is simply no existing genre label for many of the films I am referring to. I think that it is highly desireable for all films to have a genre on the IMDb, if there are swathes of unclassifiable films then to me that is a perfect reason to create a genre to define them. For example, from the list I made Water Wrackets, Dear Phone & A Walk Through H currently have no genre at all (except for Short, however, this genre does not describe content and in my opinion it is quite meaningless in terms of genre -classification on it's own). The truth is that those three films simply cannot be described using existing genres. I mentioned the case of Empire, it's silly that this is classified as a Documentary but it's as close as you get! Then there is the case of a film like, say, Un chien Andalou which currently has Drama and Fantasy associated with it; clearly Drama is incorrect and Fantasy is, at best, a 'closest-fit'. But how much better it would be if it read: Un chien Andalou - Short / Experimental

The reason that I suggest this genre as essential is that for me it is not a sub-genre - i.e. a new genre that merely gives a more accurate definition for films currently tagged with an existing genre - no, it's a proper top-level genre that would allow many existing titles to be (1) given a genre as they currently do not have one and (2) will allow some other films to have spurious genres removed and Experimental applied instead; which would be far preferrable and would help tidy up the database.

You said also that in the films I mentioned that in most of those cases the experiment - or as I put it earlier, exploring the possibilities of the cinematic medium as an art-form - was not planned in advance. I really cannot go along with this assertion I have to say. In all the listed films I think there is a definitely self-conscious attempt at experimentation.

In terms of name perhaps Avant-Garde is better?


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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Mon Jul 5 2010 06:23:16 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I think that maybe the point is getting lost in the name. Experimental / Avant-Garde / Abstract – I am not opposed to the use of either. What it boils down to is having some genre available for films so left-field in terms of experimentation/abstraction that they cannot be defined. The Peter Greenaway films I mentioned are most definitely in that bracket. I, respectfully disagree with you with regards to Empire as although I can see how it could be seen as a Documentary I personally thing a 450 minute single shot of the Empire State building is taking that definition too far – for me a Documentary should be factual and informative. With regard to Un chien Andalou, yes I can see that Fantasy is reasonable as a fit. However in both of the cases specified, would you not agree that, even if the existing genres were retained, this would be better:

Empire – Documentary / Abstract
Un chien Andalou – Fantasy / Abstract

…it describes the content so much better, and also allows the indefinable ones a home too (of which there are a significant number), such as:

Dear Phone, Water Wrackets, A Walk Through H – Abstract


Surely this isn’t so bad, and will only add to the database?


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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Red-Barracuda by Red-Barracuda
» Mon Jul 5 2010 06:48:39 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Mon Jul 5 2010 07:48:33


There's nothing abstract or experimental per se about the Empire State Building. It's just the idea of a 450min film that is effectively a single shot of it. I would classify the idea of the film as being in essence an abstract/experimental concept. Not truly a Documentary if we are honest. If it had been a factual film about the history of the building, for example, then of course that would 100% qualify. A single 450min unbroken shot with zero commentary, on the other hand, is more of a chin-stroking artistic exercise!

But anyway I digress. I agree with you that the label would need to be applied with care - but all genres should be and this would be no different in that regard. Anyway, thanks for the constructive criticism. I think it has added value to my initial suggestion. Cheers...


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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Thu Jun 24 2010 12:29:20 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Would shows like "Top Gear" (2002), "Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway" (2002), "Noel's House Party" (1991), "Beadle's About" (1987) etc want some sort of entertainment genre (light or otherwise) or does the current set of genres cover them adequately?

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user darkshyne by darkshyne
» Sun Sep 19 2010 12:15:52 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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This has definitely my vote! The only question would wide the scope would be (samurai movies are sometimes counted as martial arts movies).

http://imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=12180629

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user k_luifje by k_luifje
» Mon Jun 28 2010 06:22:21 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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*Awards-show

*It should be introduced because most of the award shows currently in the database (about 1,400) are tagged with the genre Documentary, which doesn't do justice to their content. Also, a lot of them don't have a genre attached to them because none of the current genres really fit.
Besides that, this genre has been suggested in the past on this very board at least twice by different people: http://akas.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/thread/126579841?d=126579841& p=1#126579841 and http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/thread/160949806?d=160949806&p =1#160949806.

*As I said, the potential number is about 1,400, which is about three times more titles than the genre Film-noir has.

*primary focus is on announcing and/or handing out awards for work that occurred before the show and that happened independent of the existence of that show. Note: Almost always excludes the genre Documentary. (I stole the middle of the definition from IMDb staffer Jon Reeves: http://akas.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/thread/126579841?d=128379218& p=1#128379218)

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Sham33 by Sham33
» Tue Jun 29 2010 10:20:45 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I have two

Anime

Saint Seiya
Dragon Ball
There's a lot.... (it should be an Anime Board too)

Gore

(Movies that are only about disgust and disturb the viewer. Not to be confuse with horror movies)

I think there's a lot of movies that are considered Horror and they're not....

Schramm
Salo
Nekromantik
Faces of Deasth
Trcaes of Death
Man Behind the Sun
Aftermath

There's a lot too.








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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Sham33 by Sham33
» Thu Jul 1 2010 09:11:38 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I agree, but Splatter Film and Torture is not the same.
For example, Braindead is a splatter horror comedy, but Canibal holocaust is gore, voilent, torture but not splatter.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Sham33 by Sham33
» Thu Jul 1 2010 11:06:55 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Another genre: Disaster

For movies like 2012, The Day after tomorrow, Armageddon and many other wich are Disaster/Catastrophic movies. They can't be classified as Sci Fi, adventure or Drama.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user k_luifje by k_luifje
» Thu Jul 1 2010 13:31:13 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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*Compilation

*It's not really covered by any of the current genres because none of the current genres can indicate that a title is just a mishmash of already existing titles. A user who already has (most of) these previous titles probably doesn't want/need a compilation. Therefore I think having Compilation as a genre would be very helpful for a lot of users.

*There are currently 1,187 titles that have the compilation keyword (http://akas.imdb.com/keyword/compilation/).

*most, but not necessarily all, scenes of stem from a previously released title. Objective.

Marco.

Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user MayorDefacto by MayorDefacto
» Thu Jul 1 2010 17:31:08 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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There was a short discussion of Compilation as a genre, initiated by Les, a few years back, imdb.com/board/bd0000042/thread/90051985?d=90051985#90051985. I supported its elevation from Keyword to Genre then, arguing that it was every bit as valid a genre as Short. The new Advanced Title Search groups Short with title types, not genres, perhaps in anticipation of a realignment. If that's the future direction, then I think Compilation needs to be considered as a title type.

The advantage of making it a new title type rather than a new genre would be the automatic exclusion of many clip-shows that would remain classed as TV-series. Unlike genres, title types are one to a customer.


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» Thu Jul 1 2010 20:32:20 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Mayor,

And I still think All Media is an inane piece of non-meaning crud. How hard would it really be to just replace it with the more-factual...non-theatrial? Or does someone really think theatrical is not a media?



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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user k_luifje by k_luifje
» Fri Jul 2 2010 07:51:52 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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There was a short discussion of Compilation as a genre, initiated by Les, a few years back,
Thanks for the link. Hmm, oddly enough, I don't remember that thread.

Marco.

Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user horn-5 by horn-5
» Fri Jul 2 2010 10:34:32 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Marco,
I remember it but, after looking at the list of films that have 'compilation' as a keyword, I now know it is a very bad idea to make a genre out of a word that several hundred keyword submitters seem to think is the same as...archive/stock footage...edited from...edited to...and several other words totally unrelated to compilation.

I withdraw Compilation as a genre suggestion. "The Adventures of Popeye (1935)" , with compilation as a Keyword, alone is reason enough.

Les

Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user k_luifje by k_luifje
» Tue Jul 6 2010 08:27:27 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Les,

I have to admit that I was one of those people who thought that compilation is the same as archive footage and edited from material. I considered it to be the same as a clip show. I now know better. Luckily, I have only added it as a keyword about twenty times (all for the same Dutch talk show) and I know where to find and delete them. Thanks.

Obviously, I have to agree with you on withdrawing it as a genre suggestion.

Marco.

Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user jriddle73 by jriddle73
» Fri Jul 2 2010 08:44:41 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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For my part, I'd like to see the existing genre guidelines--some of which are very, VERY bad--fixed before adding another layer to them.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user MayorDefacto by MayorDefacto
» Mon Jul 5 2010 01:23:49 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Hey Rich,

Religion and Educational, we definitely need. Bishop Fulton Sheen's "Life Is Worth Living" and Jim and Tammy Faye's P.T.L. Club are currently listed as Family/Talk-show.

Intrigue, I'm less gung-ho on. You'd like to exclude "industrial espionage" and "corporate saboutage". What about "investigative journalism"? All the President's Men? Unless the definition is carefully worded, specifically listing those things that aren't Intrigue, I think you end up 99% of titles that have Thriller as a genre, inheriting Intrigue as well.

Military has similar problems with War, but I think it's easier to define. I don't think you draw the line at whether the characters are in a warzone or not. Instead the main criteria should be whether the majority of the story is about military life, as opposed to battle. "McHale's Navy" and "M*A*S*H" were both set squarely in the middle of major conflicts, but the focus of each was on the day to day life of the characters in the military, not the conflict that surrounded them.

One point on your argument for Religion. While I don't dispute your conclusion re an under-representation of Muslim religious-themed films, I do take exception at one piece of evidence used to support it. Specifically,
"God" has 773 titles and 93 combined sub-keywords; "Jesus" captures 109 and "Jesus Christ" 542. "Allah" is keyworded only 25 times
I think a lot of these keywords (except for some small 'G' gods) stem from an appearance by God, Jesus, etc. in the particular title. Compare the number of titles with the character God (nearly 300) or Jesus (more than 300) to the number of films featuring Allah as a character (exactly zero). Considering the flak a Danish newspaper got for depicting his prophet, imagine the outcry if an actor were to portray the head honcho. Morgan Freeman probably jumped at the chance to play God in Bruce Almighty. I don't think he'd be as enthusiastic about the role of Allah in Achmed Almighty.



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» Mon Jul 5 2010 04:35:51 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Unless the definition is carefully worded, specifically listing those things that aren't Intrigue, I think you end up 99% of titles that have Thriller as a genre, inheriting Intrigue as well.

As a sidenote, I'd argue that "Thriller" needs to be eliminated as a genre anyway, and reduced to, at best, a keyword. It isn't a genre. It's just a word people have used to describe various films in a wide range of genres over the years. It has no unique genre characteristics--every action picture tries to be a thriller, as does every horror movie, most mysteries, most films noir, etc.--and, in practice, it's simply used as an improper substitute for proper genre categories.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user jaimie-k by jaimie-k
» Tue Jul 6 2010 01:36:12 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Tue Jul 6 2010 11:39:36


Thanks to everyone for the detailed and interesting arguments :-)

So far, we have the following suggestions:

Soap Opera
Erotica
Experimental/Avant-Garde
Martial Arts
Award-Show
Anime
Disaster
Religion
Intrigue
Educational
Lifestyle
Essay

Could everyone please rank them in order of preference, with no 1 being what you believe to be most beneficial to the site at this time.

Thanks!

(Please feel free to keep adding suggestions in the meantime.

My list:

1. Soap Opera
2. Erotica
3. Awards-Show
4. Experimental/Avant-Garde
5. Religion
6. Martial Arts
7. Educational
8. Lifestyle
9. Disaster
10. Essay
11. Anime

Thanks,

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user jaimie-k by jaimie-k
» Tue Jul 6 2010 11:42:51 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Hey Rich,

Sorry about the omission of 'Intrigue' - an oversight on my part. I've added it to the list.

Re the vote: Nominations are not closed - further suggestions can still be made; existing vote lists can be adjusted if new suggestions appeal.

Cheers,
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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Sham33 by Sham33
» Tue Jul 6 2010 11:54:53 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Jamie, you omited "gore" too. Or it wasn't acepted?

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Sham33 by Sham33
» Tue Jul 6 2010 07:39:04 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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1-Erotica
2-Disaster
3-Martial Arts
4-Intrigue
5-Anime
6-Award-Show
7-Religion
8-Educational



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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Sweet_Melissa by Sweet_Melissa
» Tue Jul 6 2010 08:09:57 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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1. Soap Opera
2. Erotica
3. Educational/Instructional
4. Experimental/Avant-Garde
5. Awards Show

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user sienel by sienel
» Tue Jul 6 2010 16:55:25 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Jaimie - you might want to edit the opening post to include the list of suggested genres. Makes the full list easier to keep track of.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user gromit82 by gromit82
» Tue Jul 6 2010 21:43:02 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Ranked from most beneficial to least beneficial:

1. Experimental/Avant-Garde
2. Erotica
3. Educational
4. Religion
5. Lifestyle
6. Award-Show
7. Soap Opera
8. Essay
9. Martial Arts
10. Intrigue
11. Disaster
12. Anime

Comments: Essay does not appear to be sufficiently well-known yet to warrant an IMDb genre at this time. Martial arts could possibly be a valid genre, but it's a low priority for me because martial arts films fall into existing genres already. Intrigue films also fall into existing genres. Disaster films do not appear to be common enough to warrant a separate genre from the Action or Adventure genres. All anime titles by definition can be classified within the Animation genre, and in fact the genre could arguably be defined as (Genre = Animation) & (Country = Japan).

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user k_luifje by k_luifje
» Thu Jul 8 2010 08:57:28 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I think the following proposals should become genres on IMDb: soap opera/erotica/experimental or avant-garde (I prefer the latter)/awards-show/disaster/religion/educational/life-style.

I'm not sure about the following because I feel they're already covered by the current genres: martial-arts/anime/gore/intrigue/essay

Also, might the Genre "Instructional" perhaps be needed for describing the Jane Fonda or Billy Blanks exercise tapes and the like? Currently, a lot of those don't have any genre at all.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user k_luifje by k_luifje
» Fri Jul 16 2010 09:27:47 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I wasn't sure your definition of Educational included things like workout videos because they don't really try to teach/inform the audience (which to me seemed the key issue of your Educational definition, with sentences like "being made primarily as teaching aids" and "the common goal is to provide more or less straightforwardly the facts of the topic at hand").

With the Educational genre also being available for this kind of titles, there's not really a need for Instructional.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user jaimie-k by jaimie-k
» Fri Jul 9 2010 03:26:24 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Hi all,

Just some clarification:

1. Once we have an idea of what our Contributors believe would be the most beneficial new genre additions, the issue will be discussed by our Data Policy Team.

2. The most popular potential genre additions will be put forward for discussion first.

3. I don't have a specific time-frame for new genre implementation, but I can assure you things will be done as quickly as possible.

PROCESS

* Gather Contributor views/preferences.

* Compile list of Contributors' most popular genre additions

* Discussion by Data Policy Team.

* Decisions made on which genres will be implemented.

* Formulation of definitions for new genres.

* Feedback from Contributors re proposed genre definitions.

* Submission guide updated.

* Implementation! :-)

If there are any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Cheers,

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Fri Jul 9 2010 04:45:58 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Well since it didn't get a reponse I'll ask Rich Wannen's question again.

Does IMDb have an (as-yet unspoken) numerical limit on the number of new genres to add? If so, what is it, please.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Fri Jul 23 2010 09:23:58 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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They are examining ten, but I don't know if there's any guarantee we'll get all ten.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Fri Jul 23 2010 10:35:46 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Well presumably if they are splitting Disaster and Martial Arts off from Action, Soap Operas off from Drama, Anime off from Animation etc then they'll have to redefine those genres at the very least, but yeah some revisiting of the defintions of the current genres would be useful.

Regarding the Action thread, yeah if Disaster, Martial Arts, Adventure, Crime, Sci-Fi, War and Western all have genres of their own what's left in Action that isn't already covered by one of those. Whatever it is, the defintion could possibly be streamlined just to those titles.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Pending New Genresimage for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Fri Jul 23 2010 11:18:10 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Fri Jul 23 2010 11:19:43


Well, there we go then, since Intrigue didn't make the final 10 we can give it Action's slot since it is becoming more and more redundant.

This of course is assuming Disaster and Martial Arts get approved, as being a part of Batch 2 they may be less likely to get through.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Fri Jul 23 2010 09:20:09 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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We did have an issue a few years ago that limited the number of crew departments that you could search because they were assigned letters of the alphabet or something, and not all the departments that were added that year could be searched. Hopefully though things have changed since then and we theoretically could have 3.6 million genres.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Mon Jul 5 2010 06:26:28 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Thu Jul 8 2010 13:28:19


*Lifestyle

*None of the current genres cover the following types of shows - Cookery/Food & Drink, DIY/Property Development, Property buying, Fashion, Health, Beauty, Gardening, Antiques etc. I keep submitting shows without genres for these types of shows, so some sort of catch all term like Lifestyle would be useful to cover them.
The BBC uses the term lifestyle for such shows -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/lifestyle/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/lifestyle/tv_and_radio/
As does ITV and Channel 4.
http://www.itv.com/lifestyle/
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/tags/lifestyle
Not sure whether this would warrant a genre of its own or be covered by this one, but consumer shows (eg. about cars, gadgets, consumer awareness etc) could be folded into this genre aswell.

*Well since everybody else is using keyword counts I may aswell too, not sure how accurate using them is though.
Cookery - 748, Fashion - 617, Health - 256, Gardening - 152, Home Improvement/DIY - 124, Lifestyle - 202
On a personal note I created 4 titles this weekend that could have used this genre.

*I think I'll leave a definition to someone else, cos if I were just to list the types of shows from above I'd probably miss out some other type of show that could also come under the Lifestyle heading.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genresimage for user bradleykent1 by bradleykent1
» Tue Jul 6 2010 03:45:38 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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My ranking:

1. Awards-Show
2. Erotica
3. Soap Opera
4. Experimental/Avant-Garde
5. Disaster
6. Anime
7. Martial Arts

The others, I feel, are way too general and could, therefore, lead to a lot of confusion.

All, of course, need very clear definitions, as do the existing genres. And those definitions should not merely reflect the subjective and exclusive and presumptive and sometimes arrogant and occasionally even ignorant "feelings" of one or several IMDb staffers, but should be objective and accurate and informed acknowledgment -- and knowledge -- of film theory and film history.

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Re: UPDATED: Cast your vote!image for user sienel by sienel
» Tue Jul 6 2010 05:44:53 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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01) Soap Opera
02) Experimental/Avant-Garde
03) Educational
04) Lifestyle
05) Award-Show
06) Erotica
07) Religion
08) Martial Arts
09) Essay
10) Disaster
11) Intrigue
12) Anime


Re: UPDATED: Cast your vote!image for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Tue Jul 6 2010 07:47:40 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Thu Jul 15 2010 09:04:14


1) Soap Opera
2) Lifestyle
3) Erotica
4) Award-Show
5) Educational
6) Martial Arts
7) Disaster
8) Experimental/Avant-Garde
9) Intrigue
10) Religion
11) Essay
12) Anime

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user Zombie_CPA by Zombie_CPA
» Tue Jul 6 2010 11:58:25 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Exploitation film is a type of film that is promoted by "exploiting" often lurid subject matter.

Examples:

Marihuana, Mom and Dad, Reefer Madness, Sex Madness and She Shoulda Said No!, Motorpsycho (1965), Hells Angels on Wheels (1967), The Born Losers (1967), Satan's Sadists (1969), Nam's Angels (1970), C.C. and Company (1970), Black Caesar, Black Devil Doll, Blacula, Black Shampoo, Boss *beep* Coffy, Coonskin, Cotton Comes to Harlem, Dolemite, Foxy Brown, Hell Up in Harlem, Live and Let Die, The Mack, Shaft, Sugar Hill, Super Fly, The Thing With Two Heads, Truck Turner, Cannibal Ferox, Eaten Alive!, The Mountain of the Cannibal God, Last Cannibal World, and the first cannibal film, The Man From Deep River, The Blues Brothers, Cannonball, The Hitcher, Death Race 2000, Dirty Mary Crazy Larry, Gone in 60 Seconds, Mad Max, Race with the Devil, Two-Lane Blacktop, Hanzo the Razor, Lady Snowblood, Lone Wolf and Cub, Sex and Fury, Shogun Assassin, Alligator, Cujo, Day of the Animals, Great White, Grizzly, Humanoids from the Deep, Monster Shark, Orca, The Pack, Piranha, Prophecy, Razorback, Tentacles, Tintorera, Antichrist, August Underground's Mordum, Baise-moi, Blood Sucking Freaks, Combat Shock, I Drink Your Blood, Fight for Your Life, Hostel, House of 1000 Corpses, I Spit on Your Grave, Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS and its sequels, Irréversible, Last House on Dead End Street, The Last House on the Left, Men Behind the Sun, Nekromantik, Pink Flamingos, Salò o le 120 giornate di Sodoma (Salo or The 120 Days of Sodom), SICK: The Life & Death of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist, Snuff, Ta Paidia tou Diavolou (Island of Death), Thriller - en grym film (Thriller: A Cruel Picture), Vase de Noces, Death Rides a Horse, Django, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, The Grand Duel, The Great Silence, For a Few Dollars More, The Big Gundown, A Fistful of Dollars, Women in Cages and The Big Doll House, Bamboo House of Dolls, Barbed Wire Dolls by Jesus Franco, Women's Prison Massacre by Bruno Mattei, Reform School Girls by Tom DeSimone, and Caged Heat by Jonathan Demme.



Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user dbop by dbop
» Sun Jul 11 2010 09:47:05 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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WEBISODES!

Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user jreeves by jreeves
» Mon Jul 12 2010 16:10:20 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Webisodes will need to (eventually) be dealt with as a new title type, which is something even more fundamental than genres. That addition is still awaiting the separation of that information from the format of the title.

Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user horn-5 by horn-5
» Mon Jul 12 2010 17:54:47 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Jon,
Perhaps you could reserve this format...'title' for Webisodes, and, consequently, quit allowing it to be applied to actual films (theatrical as first release) when one (and there are many hundreds that do that the fabricators haven't eyeballed yet) that have quote marks around the actual title so those who read the preceding verbage (contributors AND title managers) on the title frame will know where the actual title begins and ends... (as in "Buried Loot".)

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user scgary66 by scgary66
» Tue Jul 13 2010 13:58:08 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Per my 2003 thread on the topic (us.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/1483900?d=1483900, which also links to the even earlier discussion that year at us.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/1263861), which helped lead to several of the genres added shortly afterward (Music, Sport, Game-Show, Talk-Show, News, Biography, Reality-TV), I'll restate my suggestions for three more genres:

1) Event (easily thousands of titles) - On-the-spot coverage of individual scheduled events (with an audience) which would be conducted regardless of media coverage; generally not presented with post-event commentary/editorializing or editing for dramatic or non-objective effect, but rather in real time (or fairly close to such), designed to place the viewer 'in the audience'. Some allowances can be made in the staging of the production for the presence of cameras, etc., but the event can not be staged solely for the film or program. This would include sporting events, awards shows, as well as beauty pageants, parades, religious services, etc. In some cases, I think concert films might qualify; certainly a title with the Genres: 'Music Event' would be easily identifiable as a concert film. (This would also apply to stand-up comedy concerts, I suppose, which would be listed with Genres: 'Comedy Event'). Certainly titles like Woodstock and The Last Waltz could be listed with Genres: 'Music Event Documentary', as they also include interviews or related material. But I'd limit the Event genre to single events, rather than (for example) documentaries covering various stops on a concert tour.

2) Variety (could reasonably be expected to generate several hundred titles fairly quickly, with a steady increase thereafter) - probably definable as a mix of comedy performance (sketch or stand-up), music performance and - well, variety acts - often (though not always) performed before a live audience. A more specific definition might be: Any performance that can not be classified as Comedy, Drama, Music or Sport. This would presumably include such areas as circus, animal or magic acts, stunt shows, fashion shows, science demonstrations, poetry reading, and some non-competitive programming which doesn't really fall under Sport (e.g. figure skating shows); perhaps non-Music dance programming as well. Titles featuring performances of ONLY comedy and/or music should fall under those genres instead.

3) Advice (with totals and expected growth similar to Variety) - A genre which could take in a wide array of titles, from "The French Chef", "This Old House" and "Siskel and Ebert" to the "Jane Fonda Workout" (and other fitness titles), medical advice programming, gardening/crafts series, demonstration/instructional videos, self-help, how-to, etc. Many of Robert Benchley's comedy shorts might be classified as Comedy Advice; and a lot of the old "mental hygiene" films could easily be described as Advice Drama. Military training films would probably be appropriate here. I believe some religious programming might fit in this category as well.

As for the previous discussion in this thread, I'll note that much of what is included in Lifestyle would naturally fit within Advice, and obviously Awards-Show falls under Event

Others among the proposed genres (Soap-Opera, Erotica, Martial-Arts, Disaster, Anime, Religion) might be handled as sub-genres displayed on the main page (which I suggested, also in 2003, might be dealt with through the keyword area: us.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/1542113?d=1542113) These generally apply to titles which already have at least one thoroughly appropriate genre (Drama, Action, Adult, Animation), but which might benefit from additional specificity for site users.

As for the discussion on Experimental/Avant-Garde, I'll agree that it's an appropriate genre if anyone can come up with an ideal title and useful definition. That area has been discussed before, with a similar difficulty in getting a handle on it.

Gary Krause

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» Wed Jul 14 2010 07:09:15 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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These generally apply to titles which already have at least one thoroughly appropriate genre (Drama, Action, Adult, Animation), but which might benefit from additional specificity for site users.
Do you really consider the Adult genre thoroughly appropriate for, let's say, a seventies sex-comedy?

Marco.

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» Wed Jul 14 2010 07:31:25 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Yeah, what Marco says is true. The Adult genre is for hardcore material only. Erotica, therefore, cannot be a sub-genre of it. Moreso, it's basically mutually exclusive of it in my opinion.

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» Wed Jul 14 2010 09:10:13 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Moreso, it's basically mutually exclusive of it in my opinion.
I think you're right. I can't imagine a title having both Adult and Erotica as a genre. That said, I consider Drama and Soap Opera mutually exclusive as well.

Marco.

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» Wed Jul 14 2010 09:23:01 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I consider Drama and Soap Opera mutually exclusive as well

Yeah, definitely. Even though the Drama IMDb definition suggests adding it as a keyword, I actually think there could be some justification in suggesting Melodrama as a seperate genre. As there are a number of films, especially older ones, that can only be defined under Drama but really are more specifically melodramas. Just a thought.


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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user Steve Crook by Steve Crook
» Wed Jul 14 2010 10:24:01 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Don't judge all soaps by the worst, and so often the most popular ones.

Some do manage to attain high levels of real drama (not just melodrama). Usually just for a single storyline across a short run of episodes. But the drama is as good as anything you'll see on TV or on film

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» Thu Jul 15 2010 04:46:25 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I actually think there could be some justification in suggesting Melodrama as a seperate genre.
Hmm, I'm not sure, but I think there are probably lots of films that are one man's drama and another man's melodrama, which would make the line between them rather blurry.

Marco.

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» Thu Jul 15 2010 04:54:58 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Yeah, it was merely a fleeting thought. You're most probably right.

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» Wed Jul 14 2010 13:16:27 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Wed Jul 14 2010 13:19:29


I consider Drama and Soap Opera mutually exclusive as well.
Well, that's odd; I can't think of a soap opera that wouldn't qualify as a drama, and I suspect adding the Drama genre is one of the first things a user would do upon finding a soap that didn't already have it. The Daytime Emmys even classify soaps as drama series. (And melodramas are dramas by definition; see the American Heritage definition: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/melodrama)

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» Thu Jul 15 2010 05:04:42 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Thu Jul 15 2010 05:24:38


I suspect adding the Drama genre is one of the first things a user would do upon finding a soap that didn't already have it.
I agree. However, I think that if Soap Opera would be a genre on IMDb, nobody would do it anymore.

Edited to add: Note that in the sentence I quoted, you refer - just as everyone else does - to it as a soap, not a drama.

Marco.

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» Thu Jul 15 2010 13:06:08 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Note that in the sentence I quoted, you refer - just as everyone else does - to it as a soap, not a drama.
Well, of course I referred to it as a soap, because I was discussing that particular sub-genre - but that hardly means it's NOT a drama, any more than referring to Enter the Dragon as a martial arts film suggests that it's not an action title.

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» Fri Jul 16 2010 09:40:39 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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that hardly means it's NOT a drama, any more than referring to Enter the Dragon as a martial arts film suggests that it's not an action title.
I didn't say it wasn't a drama. I just said that the word drama doesn't adequately cover a soap opera, which I consider to be a television genre in and of itself and should therefore be tagged with that genre. You apparently don't seem to consider it a genre in and of itself, which means we'll have to agree to disagree I guess.

Marco.

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» Wed Jul 14 2010 13:11:43 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Do you really consider the Adult genre thoroughly appropriate for, let's say, a seventies sex-comedy?
Not if there's no actual sex acts depicted; but then, if we're simply talking about a standard sex comedy, I wouldn't classify that as "erotica" either. (And I'll point out that I wasn't saying that ALL erotica titles would fall under Adult, simply that for all such titles there was already at least one genre that applied quite well.) Additionally, I can imagine that some non-hardcore titles could qualify as both Adult and Erotica (a lot of adult videos are not specifically hardcore, which is one reason I find it regrettable that IMDb guidelines advise that all Adult titles should have that keyword). IMO, Red Shoe Diaries comes a lot closer to what might be called erotica, but does a particularly sensuous romantic drama really need a new genre to classify it?

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The key point here is whether or not you agree with the IMDb definition of Adult as being strictly for hardcore material only. If you feel that it should include soft-core material too, then I can see how you might not think that there is any need for a Erotica/Softcore genre. I, however, do think the IMDb is correct to specify that the Adult genre should be the reserve of hardcore titles only; and from this standpoint it becomes clear that there is a definite need to have a genre for Softcore movies, as there is a black-hole in terms of classification that has left a whole host of titles unclassifiable, and others weakly classified.

I wasn't saying that ALL erotica titles would fall under Adult, simply that for all such titles there was already at least one genre that applied quite well.

I honestly don't believe the above statement to be true. Softcore nude model titles have no existing genre - they're not hardcore, so they are not Adult. Russ Meyer's Immoral Mr. Teas is not primarily a comedy, it's first and foremost objective is to titillate. Mondo Topless is not a documentary, I Like To Play Games isn't a romantic-drama, She Killed In Ecstasy is at best an extremely half-hearted thriller. In all of those cases, and many more besides, the primary purpose is to titillate and the film-makers have blatantly focused all their creativity in this area. These films have the genres that they currently have because they are a best-fit going by existing genres - they don't describe the content in the least bit well on their own - for example, I'm sure no-one went to see The Immoral Mr. Teas for the jokes! But these films should not be lumped in with pornos either. Hardcore is a different ball game - no pun intended - and really should remain seperate from other titles. I think Softcore is definitely a justifiable seperate genre for these reasons.

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» Fri Jul 16 2010 09:42:01 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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If you feel that it should include soft-core material too, then I can see how you might not think that there is any need for a Erotica/Softcore genre. I, however, do think the IMDb is correct to specify that the Adult genre should be the reserve of hardcore titles only; and from this standpoint it becomes clear that there is a definite need to have a genre for Softcore movies, as there is a black-hole in terms of classification that has left a whole host of titles unclassifiable, and others weakly classified.
Fully agree.

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» Fri Jul 16 2010 09:49:50 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I agree that "Soap Opera" would be a good one to add.

Perhaps even "Serial" - or maybe it should just stay as a keyword?

I noticed that sometimes the keyword "serial" had at times been added to some soap operas and other tv series with a continuing storyline, which is an application of "serial" in a loosely defined way. Adding "Soap Opera" and/or "Serial" as a genre would help to keep at least some of them seperated.

A motion picture serial is a very particular type of film which is broken up into 12 or perhaps 15 chapters that were shown one per week at theaters. I am refering to things like The Perils of Pauline, Adventures of Captain Marvel, Flash Gordon, etc. There are a few non-theatrical serials as I know there were some British made for TV serials made in the 1960's. There also was the short lived 1970's American TV show called Cliffhanger!. There are some feature films (both theatrical and made for tv) that were created by editing down a multi-chapter serial into a feature film. There are a number of other films and tv productions that are similar enough that they could be called the "serial" genre.








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» Thu Jul 22 2010 18:31:47 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Thu Jul 22 2010 18:36:24


Hi All,

Thanks for all your feedback on this issue :-)

Based on the views of Contributors on this thread (and other threads in the past), the 10 potential new Genres that made the final list for consideration are:

BATCH 1

1. Soap Opera
2. Erotica/Softcore
3. Awards-Show
4. Experimental/Avant-Garde
5. Lifestyle

BATCH 2

6. Anime
7. Disaster
8. Martial Arts
9. Educational
10. Religion

Our Data Policy Group (DPG) will discuss/debate their introduction, taking full account of everything that has been said on this thread (and countless other Genre threads over the last few years).

CURRENT STATE OF PLAY

The DPG has been discussing Batch 1 all week - a decision on implementation is expected tomorrow Evening (GMT), or Monday at the latest.

Batch 2 will be up for discussion in the coming weeks.

I'll keep you posted :-)

Thanks,

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» Thu Jul 22 2010 21:56:24 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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The "possible new genre" that really boggles my mind is: Lifestyle.

Isn't any film, with or about people, past, present or future, expressive of a "lifestyle" -- probably of even several "lifestyles"?

And isn't one's "lifestyle" always changing? Perhaps it seems constant if one is caught in a "timewarp rut" -- but even then, one's feelings and thoughts about a "lifestyle" are changing -- unless one is dead.

It will be very interesting to see the definition of a "Lifestyle" genre. I say -- forget it!

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» Thu Jul 22 2010 22:57:08 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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The "possible new genre" that really boggles my mind is: Lifestyle.
Odd then that you replied to the post (imdb.com/board/bd0000042/thread/165524169?d=166203220#166203220) by Moz79 that proposed it, but never mentioned it.

The thing is that you are considering genres only for films, and this genre would be for TV Series.

As Moz79 stated: None of the current genres cover the following types of shows - Cookery/Food & Drink, DIY/Property Development, Property buying, Fashion, Health, Beauty, Gardening, Antiques etc. I keep submitting shows without genres for these types of shows, so some sort of catch all term like Lifestyle would be useful to cover them.
The BBC uses the term lifestyle for such shows

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user Moz79 by Moz79
» Fri Jul 23 2010 05:59:21 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Thanks David. Lifestyle absolutely needs to be there. While I’m in favour of all of Batch 1 getting approved and most of Batch 2 anyway, there are quite a few potential genres which can be covered already by other ones (Soap Opera/Drama, Disaster/Action etc). But the kinds of shows that would be covered by the Lifestyle genre don’t already have a genre which they could loosely go under instead.

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» Fri Jul 23 2010 08:05:11 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Yes, I do tend to think more in terms of film than television. It is, after all, the Internet MOVIE Database, although I readily acknowledge and appreciate the inclusiveness of other, related media.

Wouldn't the type of television shows listed for Lifestyle be covered by Educational/Instructional as a genre? Lifestyle is to Educational/Instructional what Anime is to Animation, Martial Arts is to Sports what Soap Opera is to Drama -- sub-genres that should be keywords rather than separate genres?

I did not include Lifestyle in my preference list because it does not seem like a viable, uniquely "separate" genre to me. And I was NOT responding specifically to the immediately preceding post, just listing my preferences. After reading comments on this board, however, I would also now delete Anime and Soap Opera from my list.

Although I am an Anglophile who lived in Englan (and loved it), and although IMDb continually acknowledges and usually acquiesces to American terms and idiom, and although IMDb is owned by Amazon, an American company, there is a tendency for IMDb to express a British bias -- even though IMDb will deny it and insist that it is "international." It makes little difference and is even somewhat insignificant that the BBC uses the "Lifestyle" term.

Yes, I'm a Yank. but I prefer European and Asian films. The overriding concern, however, is for IMDb to forget that it is geographically mainly based in Bristol, and to continue being as objective as possible.

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» Fri Jul 23 2010 08:42:57 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I agree that 'Lifestyle' is perhaps not the best label. The Genre itself would definitely be useful, but the label itself is not yet set in stone. If anyone has any alternatives to 'Lifestyle' , please feel free to suggest them.

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» Fri Jul 23 2010 08:54:17 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Fri Jul 23 2010 08:55:08


Just to clarify: We're definitely not having second thoughts. Perhaps we can, however, change the name of the Genre to better reflect the titles to be compiled under it.

Some suggestions already include 'Advice' + 'Instructional'.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

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» Sun Jul 25 2010 20:04:58 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Gore really doesn't need to be a genre and is different than exploitation and splatter.

When I think of gore I think of Hostel and Saw.

Splatter is the Friday the 13th, The Burning, A nightmare on Elm Street, etc

Exploitation is Last House on the Left, I Spit on Your Grave, etc.

Gore wouldn't really have any characteristics other than being gory. I think its best to not have it as a genre. A key word (If it isn't already) is a better choice.

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» Fri Jul 23 2010 09:16:22 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Fri Jul 23 2010 11:03:58


Some suggestions already include 'Advice' + 'Instructional'.

I still think lifestyle is the most appropriate definition that I've heard for such shows so far. Advice or Instructional would perhaps be a sub division as not all shows have that purpose. A lot of the ones I come across are mainly for entertainment and any advice or instruction given would be either secondary or just coincidental.

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» Fri Jul 23 2010 13:58:10 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Hey Jaimie,

I think the starting place for determining the proper genre name is the data. What titles would be included/excluded from this grouping? What about the following titles?
"The French Chef" (1962)Genres:  {none}Relevant Keywords: Cookery"Sewing with Nancy" (1983)Genres: {none}Relevant Keywords: {none}"Rachael Ray" (2006)Genres: Talk-ShowRelevant Keywords: Advice | Cooking "The Woodwright's Shop" (1979)Genres: {none}Relevant Keywords: {none}"This Old House" (1979)Genres: Documentary | Reality-TVRelevant Keywords: Home Repair  | How To"The Joy of Painting" (1983)Genres: Documentary | FamilyRelevant Keywords: Painting  | Educational Program | Art":20 Minute Workout" (1983)Genres: Reality-TVRelevant Keywords: Exercise"Losing It with Jillian" (2010)Genres: Reality-TVRelevant Keywords: {none}"Antiques Roadshow" (1997)Genres: {none}Relevant Keywords: Advice, Appraisal
And because the proposed genre name is in the title:
"Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" (1984)Genres: DocumentaryRelevant Keywords: Wealth  | Fame

In high school we called the first three Home Ec. The next two would be Shop, followed by Art and P.E.

Maybe Back-to-High-School should be the genre name. The common denominator in all of these (except for "Champagne wishes and caviar dreams") is instructional information as entertainment. I hate to even bring up the term as I feel like I lose a couple of IQ points just by speaking it, but what about Infotainment?

Whatever the eventual title, the description regarding its use needs to establish the boundaries between this genre and Educational and reaffirm that it's not a backdoor for inclusion of paid infomercials.



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» Fri Jul 23 2010 15:18:36 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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How about:

leisure-crafts-hobbies-and-recreation

Or, in the high school mode:

non-athletic-extracurricular-activities

Or, in the Latin mode (so probably unacceptable):

modus-vivendi

Or, in the King Yul Brynner of Siam mode:

etcetera-etcetera-etcetera

Lifestyle (a word that became popular slang in the 1970s) is just too wide-ranging, gangly and cumbersome to have any specific, clear-cut meaning. As a genre, it would probably result in countless discussions and arguments and confusions unless very, very specifically defined and administered. (That'll be the day!)

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» Fri Jul 23 2010 16:34:12 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Mon Jul 26 2010 09:36:32


Well, I'd say that in most of the shows that I'd classify as a lifestyle title there isn't much in the way of teaching or education.

A quick list of a few of the types of shows that I would expect to come under a lifestyle genre.

Cooking
"The F Word" (2005)
"Masterchef Goes Large" (2005)
"The Hairy Bikers' Cookbook" (2006)

Food & Drink
"Oz & James's Big Wine Adventure" (2006)
"Food and Drink" (1982)

Fashion
"What Not to Wear" (2002)
"Gok's Fashion Fix" (2008)
"The Clothes Show" (1986)

DIY
"DIY SOS" (1999)
"Changing Rooms" (1997)
"60 Minute Makeover" (2004)

Property Development
"Grand Designs" (1999)
"Homes Under the Hammer" (2003)
"Property Ladder" (2001)

Property Buying
"To Buy or Not to Buy" (2003)
"A Place in the Sun" (2000)
"Location, Location, Location" (2001)

Health
"Embarrassing Illnesses" (2007)
"You Are What You Eat" (2004)
"Honey We're Killing the Kids!" (2005)

Beauty
"How to Look Good Naked" (2006)
"10 Years Younger" (2004/I)

Gardening
"Ground Force" (1998/I)
"Wild About Your Garden" (2008)
"Gardener's World" (1969)

Antiques/Auction
"Antiques Roadshow" (1979)
"Cash in the Attic" (2002)
"Flog It!" (2002)

Consumer
"Watchdog" (1985)
"The Gadget Show" (2004)
"Don't Get Done, Get Dom" (2006)

Motoring
"Top Gear" (2002)
"5th Gear" (2002)

Parenting
"Supernanny" (2004)
"The House of Tiny Tearaways with Dr Tanya Byron" (2005)


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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: New Genres (UPDATED: Batch 1 Results)image for user jaimie-k by jaimie-k
» Sun Jul 25 2010 17:51:38 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Hey all,

Our Data Policy Group (DPG) has discussed/debated the first batch of Genres...and all 5 have been approved :-)

So - the 5 new Genres are:

Soap Opera
Erotica
Awards Show
Experimental
Lifestyle

Your views in this thread (and many others from the past) were integral to the decision, so thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT: Genre Definitions

We'd like to work with you guys again to formulate definitions for each of the new Genres. If you'd like to take a crack at formulating a definition and/or suggesting things that should/should not be included in each definition, please post your ideas in this thread, and they will be considered. So far, we have the following:

SOAP OPERA (J. Spurlin)

Soap Operas are primarily, but not exclusively, daytime serial melodramas that run more than once a week. Exceptions will be made for certain weekly, prime-time shows, but only if they are identical to the typical daytime serial in style and content. TV series only.

EROTICA (Mondo Giallo)

A non-hardcore film whose primary purpose is to titillate. This cannot co-exist with the Adult genre except in cases where there is a hardcore alternate version. Subjective.

EXPERIMENTAL (Mondo Giallo)

A film that explores the possibilities of the medium as an art form. One that experiments with non-traditional form and content; often, but not always, discarding conventional narrative. Subjective.

AWARDS SHOW (k_luifje)

Primary focus is on announcing and/or handing out awards for work that occurred before the show and that happened independent of the existence of that show.

We can take these as a starting point and workshop the definitions over the next few days. The quicker we come up with viable definitions, the quicker the new Genres can go live.

Batch 2 will be discussed in the next week or so.

On a related note, I was wondering what everyone thought about the following additional Genre possibilities:

Neo-Noir
Superhero/Comic-Book
Supernatural

Thanks,

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» Sun Jul 25 2010 18:18:56 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Where is a beginning definition for the Lifestyle genre. That, of course, is the most contentious one for me. WHAT does it mean, anyway?

By the by, since the Brits mentioned that the BBC calls such programs "Lifestyle," I, as a Yank, note that The New York Times calls its equivalent section "Arts and Leisure" -- which is even a worse name than "Lifestyle."

This will need to be very specifically and clearly defined (like "Film-Noir") or one could logically apply it to all titles with human beings, SINCE all human beings have lifestyles. I guess animals do, too!

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» Mon Jul 26 2010 09:54:09 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I'm not sure what you mean with regard to the New York Times. The New York Times "Arts and Leisure" section focuses on subjects like theater, film, television, music, and dance.

I don't think they put subjects such as cooking and home decorating (which are intended for the Lifestyle genre) in that section of the newspaper.

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» Sun Jul 25 2010 21:00:54 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I'm strongly opposed to establishing "Neo-Noir" as a new genre. Instead, "Film-Noir" should be opened to films made after 1958. I don't see how it's possible that the knowledge of how to make a Film-Noir could have disappeared from the Earth on the day production wrapped on Touch of Evil (1958).

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» Mon Jul 26 2010 01:07:23 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Post Edited: Mon Jul 26 2010 05:32:49


First of all, this is brilliant news Jaimie. Delighted to hear it.

I haven’t got anything more to add to the proposed definitions at the moment but will come back if I think of anything that I think will add value. They all seem OK to me.

As for the three extra genres, personally I would not object to any of them being added.

Neo-Noir - I guess if a sub-genre like Film-Noir exists on the database then perhaps it is logical for Neo-Noir to be considered too.

Supernatural – this is one which could have merit but it would all come down to the way it is defined. I wouldn’t say it’s necessary like the ones we have already proposed in Batch 1, as there are existing genres that would cover films with supernatural content. However, it would add value if it were added.

Superhero/Comic-Book – this was a genre that crossed my mind. I actually think there is considerable merit in considering it. A good case in point is the film Batman. On a couple of occasions I have had the submission of the Sci-Fi genre rejected for this film. I can only imagine that the reason was because the film is set in an imaginary place called Gotham City and the genre manager decided that Sci-Fi has to be grounded in our world for it to truly qualify as a genre for a movie; on the other hand the film does not meet the IMDb’s Fantasy genre requirement either, as it does not have any ‘magical or mystical’ content. So it’s stuck with Crime and Thriller, now with the best will in the world this is a weak definition, as I would not consider crime-thrillers to be about superheroes and super-villains, I think that a separate category would be perfectly welcome to cover the likes of these films. The same goes for a film like Sin City and even though there aren't any ‘superheroes’ in that movie it would benefit from belonging in a separate category too as it does exist in that grey area of fantasy movie that does not have magic or mysticism.

That’s just my initial thoughts.


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» Mon Jul 26 2010 05:22:22 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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That's awesome news - thanks Jaimie!

Superhero/Comic-Book - Do only movies that meet both criteria qualify (superhero character and comic book source)? So no Ghost World (comic book source but no superhero) and no Greatest American Hero (superhero but no comic book source)?



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» Wed Jul 28 2010 03:40:10 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Neo-Noir
Despite the fact that Film-Noir is the genre with the most unusual history, I think even this genre shouldn't be restricted to certain years. If someone was to make a remake of The Big Sleep, that film couldn't have the Film-Noir genre added just because it was made in the wrong year. Therefore I think the definition of Film-Noir should be changed into allowing films from all years, which makes Neo-Noir as a genre superfluous.
(Obviously, one could say Film-Noir - like Animation - isn't a genre and should be removed, but I consider Film-Noir to be a special case for which I don't mind making an exception)
Superhero/comic-book
I think having Superhero (or something along those lines) as a genre is a pretty good idea. But as already mentioned in this thread by Sienel, what are the criteria for this genre? Not every comic-book character is a superhero and not every superhero started out in a comic-book. Perhaps the best way to go is to get rid of the comic-book part and just make Superhero a new genre. Most Superhero have their own characteristic elements, while films based on comic-books can vary greatly.
Supernatural
I don't see any need for this genre as it's already adequately covered by the Fantasy genre I think. (That said, I rarely watch these kind of films, so I could be wrong)

Marco.

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» Fri Nov 5 2010 13:25:46 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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We can take these as a starting point and workshop the definitions over the next few days.
How are things going with the new genres? Do you already have the genres fully defined?

Marco.

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» Fri Nov 12 2010 14:00:33 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Hi Marco,

Sorry for the delayed reply.

There has been a slight delay with implementing the new genres, but the reason for the delay is positive. We've decided to look at ALL genre definitions and update those that need updating. To make things easier, we're going to roll out the 5 new genres alongside the existing, updated genres. Work has already started on defining the new genres (and updating the existing definitions); Contributor feedback will be sought very soon via the Contributor Data Policy Group (CDPG), which is currently being set up.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: New Genres (UPDATED: Batch 1 Results)image for user darkshyne by darkshyne
» Sun Nov 21 2010 15:09:14 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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What about the other 5 genres? Especially Martial Arts, it had a lot of supporters.

http://imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=12180629

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» Mon Nov 22 2010 00:29:09 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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That will be discussed as part of the new CDPG system very soon (hopefully before the end of the year)

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» Fri Jul 23 2010 02:33:23 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Heh - excellent. Great news Jaimie.



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» Fri Jul 23 2010 03:42:12 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Isn't Anime the same as Japanese Animation
That's what I was wondering myself.
Apart from that, I'm happy to see IMDb will finally add some "new" genres.

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» Mon Jul 26 2010 07:22:10 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Would Soap Opera, Awards Show and Lifestyle be limited to television shows?

I hope so.

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» Mon Jul 26 2010 08:09:23 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I would have thought so yeah.

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» Tue Jul 27 2010 17:15:10 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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They were the "Food Flash" shorts shown in cinemas in the UK during WWII - when all food was heavily rationed. They gave people advise about how to make the best use of the small amount of food that they had. This was also a time when just about everyone went to the cinema 2 or 3 times a week.

It was a Lifestyle at the time - but it wouldn't be recognised as a lifestyle by most people nowadays

I haven't taken much of a part in this discussion, but Lifestyle does seem remarkably vague for a genre. What is a normal lifestyle in one country or by one group of people could be regarded as weird or even offensive by another group

Steve


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» Tue Jul 27 2010 17:57:55 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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The intention of the Lifestyle genre is not to define what a normal lifestyle is, but to classify certain titles in terms of their function. Basically, such titles are intended for providing advice about improving one's life in the culture where the title was made and to which it was directed. This refers to shows that give advice and instruction with regard to cooking, fashion, exercise, home decoration, and other topics along these lines.

People in some other cultures may eat different foods, wear different clothes, and have different standards of beauty compared to people in the United States. Americans might consider those aspects of their cultures weird, and people from those cultures might consider those aspects of American culture weird. But if those other cultures make television shows for their own people advising them on cooking food, selecting clothing to wear, or making themselves look good, they would fit into the Lifestyle genre just as comparable American programs would.


Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user Steve Crook by Steve Crook
» Tue Jul 27 2010 18:12:04 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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That's a very Americentric way of looking at it
There are many things that Americans think of as normal that the rest of the world thinks is weird.

But Lifestyle as a genre still seems remarkably vague to me.

It could include titles about food, fashion, or many diverse hobbies from birdwatching to BASE jumping. They're all a lifestyle for some people and any programme about them could be said to be giving advice about that lifestyle.

In fact just about anything that has been done by a real person, i.e. not fiction, could be described as Lifestyle by that definition.

If you make it any tighter about the giving of advice then surely it's straying into Educational territory.

I note that Jaimie hasn't come back with any definitions of Lifestyle as yet

Steve


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» Tue Jul 27 2010 22:17:57 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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When I first suggested the genre I struggled to come up with some sort of pithy definition that doesn't just give a list but unless Jaimie has some sort of definition that we can workshop from I'll try and take another stab at it. Annoyingly there are plenty of websites that list programmes under the lifestyle heading and pretty much the entire schedules on the channels Good Food (www.goodfoodchannel.co.uk), Really (www.isitreally.co.uk) and Home (www.lovehome.co.uk) consist of Lifestyle programmes but nowhere is there an adequate definition of what constitutes one. There might be something from this that we can use perhaps http://www.cmis.brighton.ac.uk/bigreveal2/index.php.

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Re: IMDb FEEDBACK REQUEST: Potential New Genres (UPDATED: Cast your vote!)image for user Steve Crook by Steve Crook
» Wed Jul 28 2010 14:07:12 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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That was a comment about the lifestyle shown in the "Food Flash" shorts, not about the use of Lifestyle as a genre.

I went on to comment that I thought the Lifestyle was too vague to use as a genre

Steve


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AWARDS SHOW not limited to TVimage for user MayorDefacto by MayorDefacto
» Mon Jul 26 2010 09:19:05 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0393292/

And a process question for Jaimie: Did Oliver lobby against AWARDS-SHOW? Seems like it'll make filtering posts here regarding awards submissions more difficult.



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» Mon Jul 26 2010 10:07:42 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Regarding Lifestyle, there must be lots of made-for-video titles that fit into that category. We could probably find a hundred titles just among exercise videos.

Also for Lifestyle, I believe some theatrical shorts (such as Penny Wisdom (1937) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029385/) would qualify too.

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» Mon Jul 26 2010 10:19:59 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Oops! I forgot about made-for-videos.

But... there is still the possibility that MANY Educational/Instructional films and videos could easily be misidentified as being in a Lifestyle genre.


I hope this is all "cleared up" in the genre definition.

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» Fri Aug 6 2010 16:43:03 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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Yes, there is probably a somewhat fuzzy line between Educational/Instructional and Lifestyle; I think the key difference may be that the typical Lifestyle program, while usually instructional, has more entertainment value than a typical Educational/Instructional program and also tends to be more about domestic or personal matters than typical school subjects.

I think the most American term might be "How-to" -- but not all Lifestyle programs would fit that. For example, maybe 10% of What Not to Wear would really qualify as "how-to" with the rest being more about the specific subject's journey (at least the American version; haven't seen the UK version, but I'm assuming it's comparable). Then again, that show verges more into Reality-TV than some others in the Lifestyle category, though there's a lot of crossover. Most cooking shows, though, would not really be Reality-TV; certainly not those of the "plop and stir" variety.

As you might guess, this is the genre of the new ones that we wrestled with the most; neither the best name nor the best definition are immediately apparent, though the need for the genre was. There's probably going to have to be an element of "I know it when I see it" at first.

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» Sat Aug 7 2010 11:48:06 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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A lot of this reflects why I suggested Advice as a genre rather than something more vague like Lifestyle; it cleary applies to the cooking shows and "What Not to Wear", but isn't necessarily so structured as to be synonymous with instructional.

Gary Krause

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Genre suggestion: 'Apocalyptic Film'image for user Lavani by Lavani
» Fri Dec 3 2010 16:54:17 Flag ▼ | Reply |

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I see Apocalyptic Film as a useful genre; broader than Disaster, it also embraces post-apocalyptic, but non-science-fiction fare such as The Road.

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Period Film

A bit of a late entry here but one that might be worth at least some consideration I suppose. The idea of this genre would be to capture films that are set in historical times. This would be specifically designed to cover films set in the distant past. As opposed to History these films would be under no obligation to detail real events. They are merely films set in historical times. Some examples would be:

• Pirate swashbucklers
• Merchant Ivory films
• Films set during the French Revolution, Napoleonic wars, Renaissa