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Film-Noir definition needs to be changed

The Film-Noir genre definition needs to be changed, with the ending year (before neo-noir) being 1959. Turner Classic Movies’ Eddie Muller (a true Film Noir expert) is currently doing an interesting segment on Western Film Noir. These films should be allowed to have the Film-Noir genre: 0414-143146-518000 Track Contribution 2025-04-14 14:31:46 Wichita (1955) Genres - 2 items added 250414-142801-066000 Track Contribution 2025-04-14 14:28:01 Ramrod (1947) Genres - 2 items added 250414-142525-424000 Track Contribution 2025-04-14 14:25:25 Lust for Gold (1949) Genres - 2 items added 250414-142323-456000 Track Contribution 2025-04-14 14:23:23 Pursued (1947) Genres - 2 items added 250414-142110-309000 Track Contribution 2025-04-14 14:21:10 Blood on the Moon (1948) Genres - 1 item added He also cites Day of the Outlaw (1959) which cannot be included since it is a 1959 release.

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@bradley_kent Thanks, but we are happy with the definition and the very specific time period as covered in the guide: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/genres/GZDRMS6R742JRGAG?ref_=helpms_helpart_inline#noir None of the above titles are eligible anyway as none are set in contemporary times; the closest is Pursued (1947) even it still fails the requirement. Even if we extended the production year range, Day of the Outlaw (1959) also fails the contemporary test, sorry. There are several "-noir" IMDb keywords for titles which are not true film noirs (or even films noir :-) and you are therefore welcome to tag westerns which have a film noir sensibility / style as "western-noir" which is might be more what Eddie is getting at here anyway. Hope this helps.

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Just to add, we see that Pursued (1947) is already tagged as a "noir-western" as in: https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?keywords=noir-western&explore=keywords so that is the better keyword.

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Thanks for the clarification. I know that a lot of time and conscientious thought and discussion went into genres and subgenres, but this brings up two other, more far-reaching problems: First, If a subgenre/keyword has a genre as an addendum, should not a specific title then also have that addendum as a genre. This is basic logic and the principles of outlining. A keyword/genre is a “sub” point to a genre, a “main” point. For examples, If a title has parody-comedy as a subgenre, should it not also have Comedy as a genre; if a title has monster-horror as a subgenre, should it not also have Horror as a genre; if a title has soccer-sport as a subgenre, should it not also have Sport as a genre; etc. Second, the guideline says, among things to avoid: “Repeating genres: For example, we have the genres Romance and Drama so you can submit these as genres to the title rather than submitting the keyword romantic-drama.” Yet, we have romantic-comedy as a subgenre when those titles should logically have Romance and Comedy as genres. If a title has Romance and Comedy as genes, does that not make the romantic-comedy subgenre redundant. An advance search combining the Romance and Comedy genres would give you ALL the Romantic-Comedy title just as an advanced search combining the Romance and Drama genres would give you ALL the Romantic-Drama titles.