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Wednesday, October 16th, 2013 6:48 PM

Fake Profiles Created to Fool People

The following pages are fake:
Karl Atticus http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5637108/
Culture Shock (1969) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2963536/

They are fake pages for this movie Mortal Remains (2012) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2963536/ which should have the documentary tag removed as it is pure fiction. The creators just made fake pages on this site as well as Wikipedia to fool some people into thinking their movie is real.

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11 years ago

The third link should be:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2188831/

Also worth noting that the pages on Wikipedia were deleted with extreme prejudice - not even deleted, they were removed as blatant hoaxes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

Although the last one is for the fake film he was supposed to have directed, not the 2012 mockumentary (although amusingly it will now make it harder for them to start an article on the legitimate film).

I wonder if the simplest thing would be merging Culture Shock into Mortal Remains, although I wouldn't do that without staff input - the best thing would to remove Karl Atticus and Culture Shock entirely.

We are left with another problem - if it isn't really a documentary, then there are actors playing roles, which we don't have any record for - Karl Atticus never appears as himself, clearly, but who played him? Has anyone got access to the credits? Are they also deliberately obfuscated? We could do with resolving this before deleting the Atticus entry.

All very tricky.

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11 years ago

It will be intentionally hard to find who the cast was. The whole premise of the marketing is that the movie is real. I found an interview with the creators and they pretended it was real the whole time. Their web site includes a link to the IMDb page of Karl Atticus, so I think it was them who made all the fake pages.

I think the IMDb staff should handle this by deleting all the fake pages and preventing them from being made again.

Funnily enough, one of the people involved with the Blair Witch Project is involved with this movie, so I think they are trying a similar marketing strategy.

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11 years ago

It will be intentionally hard to find who the cast was.


Are there no credits on the film?

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11 years ago

The problem is it is currently making rounds at film festivals. So the only information released has been fake.

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11 years ago

Hey gang, I am trying to see what I can find out too. I also heard the recent interview, and either this is a brilliant marketing campaign or perhaps there is some truth. A few on line references I came across still have me questioning the authenticity while others have me doubting my own research capabilities. I will touch base as I get closer to an answer.

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Wait... this has gotta be a ploy from those Blair Witch guys! Yes?

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Yes.

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I don't know anything about the Vernon Blake character. Is he suppose to be part of the movie? What is S/A films?

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They are the fake writer and production company whose only credit is the fake film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2963536/

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Wait a minute... something is fishy here.

This "Jonathan" person above just established an account yesterday... just to be part of THIS conversation?

Now I must ask... are you two part of this documentary trying to strike up a controversy?

Pray tell before I report you!

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This "Jonathan" person above just established an account yesterday... just to be part of THIS conversation?

Now I must ask... are you two part of this documentary trying to strike up a controversy?

Pray tell before I report you!


As you can tell, I didn't sign up yesterday and, if it needs saying, I wasn't born then either.

Given this:

Joseph Blowe
Joined October 17, 2013


I could turn this around and suggest you are in on the joke (perhaps part of the production team?), hoping to scatter misinformation into what is a pretty straightforward case of fake profiles being created as part of an advertising campaign.

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11 years ago

Emperor,

My apologies... I wasn't referring to you... I was referring to "Jonathan", who seems to have created an account just to bring this to our attention.

I also noticed that whoever had the Wikipedia pages deleted, erased their wiki account hours later. This seems particularity suspicious, don't you think? A bit of sabotage perhaps? I am new to this filmmaker mythos (Karl Atticus that is), so I don't know much about his validity. What I do know is that it seems their maybe something more going on here; fake sites aside. That's all.

To assure you... I would assume that if the filmmakers are on a "festival run" as was suggested prior, they don't have time to be bothering with us here. They have bigger things going on... yes?

P.S. In full disclosure... I should admit I am a conspiracy theorist.

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I also noticed that whoever had the Wikipedia pages deleted, erased their wiki account hours later. This seems particularity suspicious, don't you think?


Perhaps, it is was true. Someone couldn't set up a "hit and run" account to delete articles on Wikipedia, it needs an administrator (of which I am one) and the person who deleted all those articles (who is clearly linked in from the pages I linked to above) is both an administrator and still very much active on the site:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Na...

I'd say "nice try" but it wasn't...

What I do know is that it seems their maybe something more going on here


There really isn't, unless you have actual evidence.

Sorry if this spoils all the "fun" of laying a false trail, but there is enough poor quality data added by well-meaning users, that needs a lot of time devoted to the clean-up, without people adding deliberate fake pages.

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Totally agreed! If it is a hoax... then it should be exposed.

I just wish I could have read the Wikipedia pages as another source from which to verify for myself. Now, I'll wonder.

All the same... I look forward to continuing my hunt.

So far, I have only come across a legitimate book review that mentions his name... of course, that could simply be another filmmaker by the same name.

I'll keep you posted!

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I just wish I could have read the Wikipedia pages as another source from which to verify for myself.


As an admin I can see the old pages and they are a decent shot at fake pages, even if they were found out.

You can find one of the most recent versions here:

http://web.archive.org/web/2013081523...

The fake film pages aren't there but they are weaker and use some of the same sources:

Culture Shock:

^ Slaughterhouse magazine, issue #6; HCS Association, January 1990, pg. 64.
^ Horror Fan magazine, issue #4; GCR Publishing Group, October 1990, pg. 16


Mortal Remains:

^ Horror Fan magazine, issue #4; GCR Publishing Group, October 1990, pg. 18.
^ "Violent Film Sparks Riot at Baltimore Movie Theater," Washington Star, Wednesday, June 7th, 1972.
^ Slaughterhouse magazine, issue #6; HCS Association, January 1990, pg. 67.


Also removed was the Vernon Blake article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

Partial bibliography
Books

Mortuus (1919)
Green Hell (1920)
Pieces of Eight (1921)
Jungle Drums (1923)
Thanatos (1925)
Mortal Remains (1926)

Short stories

The Chinaman (published as Le Chinois) (1918)
Goblins (1920)
Night Chills (1921)
Long Pork (1923)
Memento Mori (1927)
So Below (1927)
Hunter's Moon (1930)
The Fever (1932)
Demogorgon (1933)

References

^ a b Article in Gorezone magazine, issue #27; Starlog Group, Fall 1993.
^ Article in World of Horror magazine, issue #2; Eclectic Publishing, August 1989, pg. 32.
^ Article in New Orleans Times-Picayune, July 28, 1937.


Happy conspiracing, although you are wasting your time and you'll forgive us if we don't get these pages deleted in the meantime.

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Of course... not... do what you gotta do. Thanks for the Karl link.

Now I am starting to see where you and Jonathan are coming from!