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Fri, Jul 1, 2022 9:56 AM

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Fake actor

This person is completely fake. Never seen him in any Arabic Series. He's 24 and has put himself on 65 famous Arab tv shows. No source or a single article of him in any webpage https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9887282/?ref_=tt_cl_t_4

I request to remove him

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Il y a 3 m

I just googled him and there are A LOT of articles including a wiki page, instagram, etc on him and they all confirm he’s a 24yr actor who’s been in a lot of movies. They all have the same pictures of him so I really don’t think he’s fake. Even if he was fake why would you care if he was on the cast list?

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@RobertScott_13​ seriously? Do u know Arabic? I'm Arab and I have seen a lot of series. He's not there at all. The wiki page says he's an Egyptian and nationality is Bahrain!! That's completely a joke

His Instagram doesn't show any scene of him in any TV show

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There is not a lot of anything, in fact there is nothing. Nothing confirms he's an actor who’s been in a lot of movies. Things that do not echo imdb screams as fake as well, with a few page prints text served by him which is just lies (and most news sites he served that for them to publish already deleted it appears which tells something). And his wiki page is about to be deleted for being fake too.

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Hi Mosho_nz-

Based on the sources we have we believe the information we have is accurate, however if you have a verifiable source contradicting this (the best would be a source where we can see end credits for some of the films on his page and see his name is not on it) please feel free to post it here so we can check on them.

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ But the truth is you don't have anything and nothing is accurate and everything here is fake. Can you share these sources and any single verifiable evidence? Just one screenshot from a movie or series while he's acting? There is none. Just one screenshot showing his name is credited in any production? There is none.

See how wiki editors are meticulously dissecting and proving the fakery here , do you see the comment "IMDb is never an acceptable source" there? Dismissing a valid report like this would give them every reason to keep saying that. There is also comment of an Arabic wiki admin in that discussion which says he had deleted his page from Arabic wiki twice and gives more info like this: Also, he uses the name of a character who participated in the Bab Al-Hara series; Adel Ali. Above article deleted twice before on arwiki here (it seems an article hijack, as the initial article about Qatari football player)

Apparently one of the reasons it was overlooked in English wiki is he hijacked an existing page for a footballer with a similar name instead of creating a new page (sometimes similar hijackings happen on imdb too). And he's not noticed in IMDb until now likely because he's not spamming his name to all of the most popular Hollywood movies like other fakers but instead adds his fake credits to movies with his own language which makes it harder to be noticed by users who don't know the language.

Someone who speaks that language (Mosho_nz) reports here this guy is not in any of these. An admin of the Arabic Wikipedia, who knows the language and nature & quality of sources says it's all fake but you say you "believe" it's not?

Here are two movies I found on youtube from his page:

https://youtu.be/L6Sm3-pRoE4?t=5205
https://youtu.be/xBm1Zy0S9mU?t=5254

Arabic language makes it hard to check but I tried to compare Arabic writing of his name with the credits of the movies and could not locate it. Maybe you can help and show where he's credited in these two movies? I also skimmed through the movies to see if there's someone who looks like him but had no luck, maybe I missed it, maybe you know in which minute he appears?

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So apparently "your sources" do not have answer to any of these questions like where exactly he's credited or appears in above links? I checked a few more titles I could find since two days and I still couldn't locate a credit or his appearance.

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@Bethanny​ Will you able to show where this person is credited or provide a timestamp of his appearance?

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@mbmb​ Hi!

Thanks for posting the YouTube video links, we have removed those credits as we could not verify them.  For the remaining credits listed on the page, we will need to see further similar evidence to check against, if you are able to provide screen grabs or links to some of the series titles or some of the other credited film titles we can take a look.

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ But what about "your sources", what makes you think rest are true when these were proven fake and you accepted that? Where is your single evidence to support any one of these credits in the first place?

This is beyond the limits of logic and sad to say but it's a clear evidence why IMDb should not be trusted. You fail to show any evidence for any credit, you get supporting evidence for the fake report, you still fail to show anything and you still "believe" rest are not fake here. It's incredible to be honest.

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Hi mbmb-

Typically if there are observed credit errors on our site we will need supporting evidence prior to removing the information.  In cases such as these that involve a large volume of credits we will need to verify a handful of inaccuracies before removing all the associated credits on the page.  While we were able confirm the correct removal of two unverifiable film credits, we have found several regional media sources that confirm that the performer worked on some of the listed series titles.  Therefore, we will need further on-screen evidence to help confirm further inaccuracies in order to investigate further.

Thanks!

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@Bethanny​ I just see here a poor judgement. It looks to me you are not able to tell what is a valid source, what is an invalid source, what is a spammy source, what is a pr piece published with money, what is a valid journalism piece, what is a lie, what is something that echoes or crawls another page on the web, and just because you see a result with a quick google search you think it must be valid.

You did not find a single valid "regional media sources" and you did not find anything "that confirm that the performer worked on some of the listed series titles", all you found was his pr attempts he made with money. "press releases masquerading as journalism" as someone says in that wiki discussion.

You did not request evidence for every single credit here on this thread before emptying the whole name page (it was a valid report too but still, you acted with zero evidence), someone reported it and you decided the report looks valid. (or If I posted there a comment like "I just googled him and there are A LOT of links including an imdb page" were you gonna start saying "based on sources we have we believe it's correct" there too?)

Someone who speaks that language and who says he watches these shows reports this guy is not in any of them and you first claim they are valid without having anything to support it. And you get evidence you asked for and you still defend they must be valid without having anything to support it.

I found this page which apparently has all the seasons and episodes of a show he has credits on 200 episodes: https://akwam.to/series/2452/

I randomly checked 2-3 episodes each from several seasons and I was not able to see someone like him in any episodes I checked. Can you help me and give me a timestamp for a single episode from these 200 episodes. I'm not even asking for two, just one (1) episode. Please show me an actual evidence for 1 episode out of these 200 episodes.

Youtube has some seasons too:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-DAUrBJxlfvzM8ro5ESi-yyPUug03Ut4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-DAUrBJxlfv8xVgMkrmFjJYyukzavt-x

Please can you give me one youtube link from these playlists and a timestamp? You can see their opening credits also show the actors along with credits, so it shouldn't be too hard to locate it if he's really in there?

His fake wiki page was saying "he plays Khader" in this series while you have it as "Abdulaleem", yeah one of them is the info from a parallel universe I guess? Does "your sources" tell that?

And this is another series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaCRkniV1UsFecgyR76vLQ0gT9fXKj2vR

He has his name attached to all episodes of this series on imdb and this youtube playlist appears to have all episodes. Again, can you please give me a timestamp for only one episode here?

According to his now deleted fake Wiki page he was a lead actor on this film (and you still have the credit of it): https://www.facebook.com/Maryam.movie/photos

That's the official facebook page of the film and that photo gallery has a lot of images like stills, posters, events, festivals, behind the scenes.

Please can you show me one picture among these stills, events, behind the scenes pictures with this so-called lead actor in it? Please just one. He's the lead actor of the film but he's not in any stills, any events and screenings of the film, or any anything? Can you show me one image with him or a post with his name mentioned in this official facebook page of the film?

This is a festival trailer of the said film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhyNx6dJ1s

Can you give me a timestamp from this trailer where this so-called lead actor appears?

And can you explain why this lead actor's name is not mentioned after "Cast:" in the description section of this official trailer link?

Can you tell me why we can't see him here as well? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-05/australia-hosts-controversial-syrian-film-festival/8490154

Another series, this should actually make your job so easy because they present every credit with pictures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krLd3auIoNw

But will you be able to show me where is this guy's credit or picture here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGiVPePxaj8 - Again, where is he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyax7Rmtk0c - I checked both end credits and opening credits and also skimmed through the episode. Please prove to me I missed it and he's somewhere in there, can you do this?

And his bio (as well as deleted fake wiki page) says he's known for "What the Day Owes the Night (2012)."

But........ Why don't we see his name on the cast list here then if that's one of the movies he's "known for"? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1934205/fullcredits/

Could it be because that's not an Arabic movie, it's an international movie, a French movie, so it was easier and quicker to be noticed and even if he had his credit there at some point, it was deleted by a contributor much early?

Moreover, I checked some archived snapshots of this page and it looks like almost all credits here were actually flooded within a year or something, someone who's a "famous actor" and works since 2004 but has their credits flooded only within last year or something? This makes the poor judgement here actually worse and makes your insistence to assume they must be valid (even after you got evidence to prove otherwise) incomprehensible. I could understand your doubt if these were credits existed on imdb for a long time, from more reliable times of the imdb but I can't understand it in this case when they are not even old credits and when you don't have a single evidence to support that belief and when everything is actually obvious here.

And a tip for staff here: There's even a reason why there are about 50-60 credits here of this faker. You probably have no idea about it and you couldn't think of any reason here so let me tell you. That's the standard package of the "fake imdb profile" sellers out there in some black hat forums. And do you know why they do that? Why some frauds sell this "fake profile and fake credits service" and why do people pay them money to have a fake imdb profile with "50+" credits? Let me show you that too. See this link: https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/about-twitter-verified-accounts

Press CTRL+F and search "IMDB" on that page. Do you see this requirement:

"A link to the applicant's IMDB page containing 50+ production credits"

Now do you get why it became a business to create fake imdb profiles with fake credits? Why is this site becoming a more unreliable place every other day? And with a staff like this who keeps using their jokers like "based on sources we have we believe it's valid", "based on information we have we believe it's valid" when you don't actually have and can show anything at all, I don't think it's going to get any better.

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Hi @mbmb​ -

Thanks for the additional information and links mentioned above. I'm hoping @Mosho_nz can confirm if any of the remaining listed credits are valid and belong to the other legitimate performer "Ali Adel (I)".  Our staff will then re-investigate the page listing and remove any unverified credits given the additional information you provided.

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@Michelle​ Oh ok, sorry for confusion, you wrote "Ali Adel (I)" so I thought you are talking about this cinematographer: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5027769/

(which also contains a bio hijack by the faker here)

But I see you meant the old actor "Adel Ali (I)" now. I tried to compare this old actor's valid credits with this fake name page but couldn't see any crossing ones but you're right let's wait a confirmation from Mosho_n as well maybe he sees one since he knows the language better than us.

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thank you for removing him from "The Neighbourhood's Gate". notice that the known actor name is "adel ali" https://elcinema.com/en/person/1104271/

not "ali adel".

nothing more belong to him but still all 53 credits of the faker "ali adel" are fake. hope you remove all his 53 credits. i have deleted 4 credits recently but its time consuming to keep deleting this way.

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Il y a 3 m

Adel Ali

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4193133/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

https://elcinema.com/person/1104271/

is a well known actor played a role in "The Neighbourhood's Gate" as "Abdulaleem". https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1999065/?ref_=nm_knf_i1

Ali Adel is a fake actor credited himself in this role

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9887282/?ref_=tt_cl_t_7

It is difficult and time consuming to delete him from 192 episodes!

Please delete him or tell me how with a simpler way

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Deleting a fake actor from a large number of episodes

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Hi @Mosho_nz​ -

I have now removed all 193 episode credits for "The Neighbourhood's Gate" from the name page you reported ("Ali Adel (IV)").  Can you conform if any of the remaining credits listed on the page belong to "Ali Adel (I)"?

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@Michelle​ These camera and cinematographer credits on Ali Adel (I) look valid: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5027769/

As I was able to verify them:

But Bio added there is a name page hijack attempt by this fake Ali Adel who's reported on this thread. It was surely his first attempt at faking before creating an entire fake name page for himself. So you should delete bio from here: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5027769/
That Ali Adel (I) with valid cinematographer credits is an entirely different person ( https://www.facebook.com/ali.ali.9889) who has nothing to do with acting or that faker who claims to be an actor.

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@Michelle​ That bio hijack I pointed on this legit name page for a cinematographer (which is an entirely different person as I showed) still not removed after 7 days (and why is this thread marked solved when nothing is solved?): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5027769/

Can you remove the bio from nm5027769 which was the faker Ali Adel's (the one reported on this thread) hijack attempt on another page before creating his fully fake new page?

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