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Episode Title Corrections Denied?

Some of my episode title corrections for “Terror in the Woods” (2017-) are not getting approved. Most of my corrections for this series were approved - I’m not sure why these are a problem. I’ve submitted them all multiple times.

Episode 1.8: The actual title onscreen is “Hellhound,” not “The Hell Hound.” (I have included that info in the explanation.)

The contribution numbers are:

#211105-212630-880000

#211106-220342-195000

#211112-020515-385000

Episode 1.2: The titles onscreen are “Sasquatch and Asylum,” not “Bigfoot/Ghost cave,” which isn’t even capitalized properly.

The contribution numbers are:

#211105-205128-661000

#211114-224345-644000 (I just resubmitted this again today.)

Episode 2.1: The titles onscreen are “I Think It Came from Hell and the Ozark Bigfoot,” not “It Came From Hell and Ozark Bigfoot.”

The contribution numbers are:

#211106-212219-104000

#211112-015534-037000

Episode 2.3: The titles onscreen are “The Devil Monkey and You Freeze, You Die.” The current title is missing the “The” at the beginning.

The contribution numbers are:

#211106-220822-481000

#211111-235157-326000

Episode 2.2 needs to be merged into episode 2.6. So “Ghost Hunters Under Attack” needs to be changed to “Was It Hunting Us? and It Was Something Evil” and episode 2.6. Support already accepted my date change for the episode, but now they won’t complete the merge. The real episode 2.2 can’t be added until this one is merged.

The contribution numbers are:

#211105-221919-723000

#211111-234343-737000

Thanks for any help you can provide!

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2 m ago

Hi MysteryTW -

Thanks or all the additional information.  I have now removed the incorrect 2.2 episode and replaced it with the correct new episode: "Was It Trying to Kill Me?/The Blue Ridge Encounters".

Additionally, I have filed a request to include specific title formatting (such as usage of slashes) within our guides and the appropriate team will take a look shortly.

Thanks again!

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@Michelle 

Thank you so much - you are so helpful! 

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I'll just comment about the "and" on your titles. I checked some episodes and there is no "and" on screen. A title for one segment at one point, and other title for other segment somewhere else in the episode. No "and". Convention with that kind of episodes is they are seperated with / (slash). It's common with cartoons.

It looks like they were mostly seperated with / (slash) previously but recently changed to "and"

If your "Most of my corrections for this series were approved" sentence means you changed them to "and" then they should probably be reverted.

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@forthehorde 

None of the issues I listed are related to the “and” but I appreciate the info. I looked all through the IMDb help and searched the forum, but couldn’t find anything detailing what to do about the split titles. I don’t recall running across any on IMDb either, so I didn’t have a template.

Google, Amazon Prime, Discovery, and the Next Episode app all separate the titles with “&” or “and,” as do the multiple other websites I looked at. I sent in a long explanation about all of that, why I chose “and,” etc. when I changed the episodes that had a slash. (I had no preference for “and” versus a slash; I just wanted the seasons to be consistent.)

Before my corrections, 5 episodes in season 1 titles used a slash. All the season 2 and 3 titles used “and.” Of the 4 titles where the slash has been changed, one title was missing a word and another title was capitalized incorrectly. So, no, most of my corrections have not been about changing the slash. Most of my title corrections have been about changing the titles so they match what was shown onscreen.

I have a question. Let’s say there is an episode with 2 titles. The first title is “The Apple.” The second title is “The Banana.” Would you then title the episode “The Apple/The Banana?” That seems logical to me, but they seem to be very persnickety about capitalizing “the.” However, “The Apple/the Banana” just doesn’t look right to me.

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@MysteryTW Check out this series' episode titles for how it looks best. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8762206/

But in short the “The Apple/The Banana” way is the best presentation.

Thing is with these type shows that are thrown out at Halloween for a quick stab at ratings, the press releases are half assed, see here: Shows A-Z - terror in the woods on da | TheFutonCritic.com for how they are presented title wise. They don't always reflect what the production company puts on the finished episode.

I do not know what your submission includes but if it were me I would include the following, a screenshot of both titles from the episode, uploaded to Imgur and posted as links in the explanation box. Then add the link to the episodes on Amazon, here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B076C6HYBD/ref=atv_dp_season_select_s1 with timestamps of when the title cards appear onscreen. Bit of dual evidence they can't deny.

Without visual evidence they'll likely just decline it. Hope this post helps you.

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@MysteryTW Yes I would title it "The Apple/The Banana" in that case, and there wouldn't be a problem with capitalizing "The" there because of the slash before it, it can be capitalized properly.

Series VonPunk pointed is a good example to look at.

I would suggest you to change them to slash because that's more consistent with general practices.

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@VonPunk 

Thanks for the link to the template!

The show isn’t actually just for Halloween. It looks like The Futon Critic doesn’t realize it’s the same show as “These Woods Are Haunted.” It actually has 3 seasons - it just finished airing the 3rd season November 12th.

How can you take a screenshot from a streaming app on your phone? Whenever I’ve tried that the screen is just black. I assume they’ve done something to prevent screenshots. I suppose I could take a picture of my tv, lol. I’d never heard of Imgur until 2 days ago (?) when I saw it mentioned on another post in here. I assume it is some sort of image-hosting site? IMDb actually accepted most of my corrections without images. It hadn’t even occurred to me that they might not believe me.

Luckily Michelle got most of my last corrections pushed through. You provided some very helpful information for the future though. Thanks! :)

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@forthehorde 

Thanks!

Yes, I’m going to have to go through and change them. I hope support has a lot of different people. I can just imagine the same person getting my new corrections, and thinking, “Seriously?”

I do have another formatting question for you. (If I’m bothering you though, feel free to tell me to just ask someone else.) Working with our same example, say the first title is “The Apple...” and the second title is “The Banana.” Which one of the following would be correct?

The Apple.../The Banana

The Apple... /The Banana

The Apple/The Banana

VonPunk

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@MysteryTW

Well the first series aired at Halloween in 2017 on Destination America, then the year after they re-aired it on Travel Channel, I do not know if they changed the name then or just a couple years later when they continued it with 2 more seasons. They often repackage shows with different titles or re-edited formats, throw them up on a sister channel, most of them come out for their Ghostober event at Halloween and last one season usually.

Hell they repeat episodes with different titles on some shows and that creates a headache when people add it to the site thinking its a missing episode when it years old and already on the site under it's original title.

As for you questions, on format, this choice 'The Apple.../The Banana'. Just full titles, with the slash inetween with no space, whatever it says onscreen, just duplicate exactly.

I do not own a phone so you'd have to Google how to screenshot, my mate screenshots on his phone but that's usually text, I don't know if there's a reason you can't do it on an app.

Don't worry about the staff, just be polite, explain you are tidying up the titles as advised, link to this thread if you need to.
Link to the episode with timestamps if you can't do screenshots but photo's would do. Like you say, you could try a couple with just an explanation and see what happens, if they go through do the lot, just give evidence if any get declined.

Yeah, I (and probably many others) rely pretty heavily on Imgur, it's a good safe site, easy to use and free, you can sign in with many other accounts like Google, Facebook etc to easily make an account. You can keep images in your account forever or delete them when no longer needed. I highly recommend it's use when making any corrections to any cast lists of movie or popular tv shows.
Hopefully that answers your queries. Feel free to ask if you want to know anything else, I'm glad to help or pass on knowledge I learnt over the years to make your journey easier than mine was.

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@VonPunk 

I don’t typically watch either of those channels so I don’t know much about them. I ran across this show on Discovery+.

Thank you very much - that is all helpful information!

I will take you up on that - I do have a few more questions. I can’t remember what they are right now though, lol. When I do remember, should I ask them in this thread or send them as a pm (assuming this forum has private messaging)? I’ve found this forum confusing. Oh, that’s made me think of a question.

Is there a good way to search this forum? I feel like the results seldom relate well to my search. The results are often from extremely old threads too. I don’t mind that if the older thread is still correct and answers my question. When the information is outdated though, it’s not very useful.

I’m also not clear on whether I should post my questions/issues in the “IMDb.com” section or the “Data Issues and Policy Discussions Section.” I’ve read the descriptions of them several times and looked at threads in each, but I still can’t figure it out.

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@VonPunk 

Ok, I was about to start submitting the slash corrections but I have a question. Starting with season 2, some of the titles onscreen are actually shown as sentences. For example, for episode 2.1, the titles are shown as below (including the quotes and periods):

“I think it came from Hell.”

“The Ozark Bigfoot.”

From what I’ve seen (and learned), titles don’t include periods at the end, but do include other punctuation, such as question marks, exclamation points, and ellipses. So, I believe the title for the episode would be:

I Think It Came from Hell/The Ozark Bigfoot

That is how the episode 2.1 title on IMDb is currently formatted. The capitalization is changed to title format and the periods are removed. Titles should not have periods or quotes, correct? Before submitting corrections, I just want to verify that the two possibilities below are wrong:

I Think It Came from Hell./The Ozark Bigfoot.

“I Think It Came from Hell./The Ozark Bigfoot.”

(I don’t want to have to resubmit titles a 3rd time.)

Thanks!

VonPunk

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Yeah I don't have those channels either, I used other pre-discovery+ means, I'm outside of the USA so I had to, I contributed to many shows from the Discovery umbrella so I sort of became knowledgeable on them along the way.

I only just joined this forum myself, I was on the old one but took a break when they switched, so I'm a bit like you. I post all my problems/questions about contributing in “Data Issues and Policy Discussions Section.” and no one has moved them or said I was wrong to, so I'll just do that always, so I guess you can too unless told otherwise.
As for searching, not done it here but if it's like the old forum, I found searching on Google was sometime better to link me a thread here, but maybe someone with more experience can chime in on that topic.

Yeah, I'd say this is the best way:-

I Think It Came from Hell/The Ozark Bigfoot

I don't think I've ever seen quote marks on a title, I don't know if the site allows it but they generally put up a warning about not doing so when checking your submission, I'd definitely not muddy the water with them anyway.

I mean if the titles have fullstops on the end, that's up to your discretion but I'm thinking several titles won't and it'd look messy to have them up, if it was me I'd leave them off unless they were in the middle of a title and had meaning to the grammar, but the other punctuation you mention, you'd be correct to use them, yes.

If a title was 'Statement. Why?', I'd add it exactly as that. But if it was 'Jerry has a Ball.', I'd just go for 'Jerry has a Ball'
Hopefully that makes sense, if it's as accurate as you can get and it looks good it'll be fine.

If you need to personally ask me a question, just look for my most recent postings rather bump old threads which this will be eventually or just start a question thread and myself or someone with good knowledge will help you.
I always recommend reading IMDb contribution rules whenever you venture into contributing to sections and areas you never have before too, it'd be well boring and time consuming to read all the rules, so just look to the sections that apply, you'll gradually learn more and more, expand into more and more knowledge and be a great contributor with it.

Hope I covered everything there haha.

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@VonPunk 

Oh, I always read the contribution rules first. It’s the only way to learn how to do things correctly. They don’t always seem to cover everything though. I will read the relevant sections (often more than once), search the help info, and then search the forum to try and find answers to my questions. Posting is typically a last resort for me.  

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@MysteryTW

Nice one, that is an excellent way to go about it. And yes, there are some grey/gray areas on how to contribute certain things that are just hard find out, it's a learning experience, even after 15 years I still learn new things.

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Hi MysteryTW -

All the title text updates have been made except for the last request.  Regarding the merge request, can you confirm that episode #2.2 is a duplicate of #2.6 (ie. all the credits and data belong to the same episode)?

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@Michelle 

Michelle,

Thank you so much for all your help!!

After further looking into “Ghost Hunters Under Attack,” I’m convinced it should be deleted. I believe it’s information from 2 different shows mixed together. The only information listed for this episode is the title, episode number, air date, and 10 crew members. (The original date listed on IMDB was Mar 11, 2019. That matched nothing related to the series; no episode were even released in 2019. I changed the date to March 14, 2020 to prepare to merge it.)

No cast is listed on IMDb for “Ghost Hunters Under Attack.” I looked at all the crew members but none of them are unique to this episode. Since they all appear on multiple episodes, there is no way to use this to confirm anything. No cast is listed on IMDb for episode 2.6. None of the crew listed are unique to this episode. There are no conflicts in the listed crews. Either the job title and name match, or the job titles are different.

I haven’t been able to find any evidence that “Terror in the Woods” has an episode titled “Ghost Hunters Under Attack.” There is no plot outline, summary, or synopsis on IMDb. There are no keywords or quotes. There is one piece of trivia which the author seems to have made up. Apparently the author didn’t know that “Fear the Woods” and “Evil Encounters” are the same show. (In fact, “Terror in the Woods” is also known as “These Woods Are Haunted.”) He couldn’t have watched a “Ghost Hunters Under Attack” episode from “Terror in the Woods” because it doesn’t exist. Besides, if he had actually watched 3 different episodes, he would have known whether they were all the same episode or if they were segments of different episodes spliced together.

Initially I suggested merging episode 2.2 with 2.6 because the title “Ghost Hunters Under Attack” matches the plot for the 2nd half of episode 2.6. I just assumed this episode went with this series and someone added the incorrect title. Having recently watched this series, I knew that episode 2.6 was the only episode that title could fit with.

[The actual episode 2.2 for “Terror in the Woods” should be called “Was It Trying to Kill Me?/The Blue Ridge Encounters” - These are the titles I saw onscreen. The plot for the correct 2.2 episode can be read here: https://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/1800405/these-woods-are-haunted-2x02-was-it-trying-to-kill-me-and-the-blue-ridge-encounters and here: https://www.betaseries.com/en/episode/terror-in-the-woods/s02e02?id=1535852&title=Was%20it%20Trying%20to%20Kill%20Me%3F%20And%20The%20Blue%20Ridge%20Encounters. I have seen this episode so I can verify the plots in these links are correct; the episode has nothing to do with ghost hunters.]

There is a show titled “Fear the Woods” (AKA “Evil Encounters”) which also airs/aired on the Travel Channel. It has an episode titled “Ghost Hunters Under Attack.” It’s possible someone got confused and added the episode to the wrong show. Here’s a link to “Fear the Woods” which shows the episodes: https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/fear-the-woods/episodes. It’s listed as 1.8 here.

On Google (under Evil Encounters), “Ghost Hunters Under Attack” is listed as episode 2.2. They only title it “Episode 2” but the description matches the description for both the Travel Channel and at this link (for 1.8): https://tvovermind.com/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-fear-the-woods/.

IMDB has the show “Evil Encounters” but not the episode “Ghost Hunters Under Attack.” (The episode titles match the titles listed on Google and the titles on Next Episode: https://next-episode.net/evil-encounters/season-1.) Additionally, IMDB does not have an episode 2.2 for “Evil Encounters.” I think someone meant to submit this episode for that show.

Thus, the “Ghost Hunters Under Attack” episode for “Terror in the Woods” has no unique information other than a title that doesn’t appear to exist. I wouldn’t merge it with anything in case the crew is incorrect. (I looked through the onscreen credits earlier for episode 2.6 and most look correct, but I think there is one that doesn’t belong. I haven’t watched the credits for the real 2.2 episode.) Crew members can always be re-added to episodes.

Oops, I forgot something. Can you request the information about formatting with the slash for two titles in an episode be added to the IMDb title formatting page? It would have been nice to have that information before I worked on the 20+ titles for this series. Support is going to think I’m a nut or be really annoyed with me when I start resubmitting all these titles with a slash. At least the wording is correct now and it’s just formatting. Still, I have a feeling I’ll be starting every explanation with “I’m sorry....” 

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