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Duplicate Keywords - List #45 (gun & knife keywords) (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion)

Here is the next installment of my lists of proposed keywords for permanent merger and auto-conversion.

I am posting this for fellow contributors to review first and raise any objections or questions. I will wait at least 14 days before changing this post to a "problem" post and asking IMDb staff to make the proposed changes.

The mergers and auto-conversions should be made in the direction of the arrows.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion


child-with-gun (71 titles)  -->  child-with-a-gun (291 titles)


death-by-gunshot (573 titles) -->   death-by-gun-shot (14 titles) -->  shot-dead (134 titles)  -->   shot-to-death (7239 titles)

firing-a-gun-into-the-air (35 titles)  -->  firing-gun-into-air (3 titles)  -->  gun-shot-into-the-air (7 titles)  -->  shooting-a-gun-into-the-air (48 titles)


flick-knife (54 titles) -->  switchblade-knife (22 titles)  -->  switch-blade-knife (4 titles)  -->  switch-blade (43 titles)  -->   switchblade (845 titles)


gun-fight (196 titles) -->   gunfight (3869 titles)

gun-held-to-one's-head (96 titles)  -->  gun-held-to-someone's-head (6 titles)  -->  gun-held-to-head (636 titles)


gun-shooting (104 titles) -->  shooting-gun (5 titles)  -->  firing-gun (16 titles)  -->  gun-firing (17 titles)  -->  gun-fired (3 titles)  -->  shooting-a-gun (6 titles)


gun-shot (166 titles)  -->  gunshots (19 titles)  -->  gunshot (2355 titles)

hand-gun (111 titles)  -->  handgun (1556 titles)


holding-a-gun-to-one's-head (25 titles)  -->  holding-a-gun-to-own-head (14 titles)  -->  holding-a-gun-to-one's-own-head (32 titles)

knife-held-to-someone's-throat (40 titles)  -->  knife-held-to-one's-throat (20 titles)  -->  holding-a-knife-at-someone's-throat (22 titles)  -->  holding-a-knife-to-someone's-throat (11 titles)  -->  hold-a-knife-to-someone's-throat (3 titles)  -->   knife-held-to-throat (444 titles)


knocked-out-with-a-gun-butt (149 titles)  -->  knocked-out-with-gun-butt (19 titles)  -->  knocked-unconscious-with-a-gun-butt (34 titles)

shot-repeatedly (88 titles)  -->  shot-multiple-times (593 titles)

shot-to-head (11 titles)  -->  shot-in-head (45 titles)  -->   shot-in-the-head (4317 titles)


stabbed (143 titles)  -->  stab (31 titles)  -->   stabbing (2651 titles)


stabbed-repeatedly (73 titles)  -->   stabbed-multiple-times (202 titles)

stabbed-with-knife (40 titles)  -->  knife-stab (4 titles)  -->  stabbed-with-a-knife (216 titles)


suicide-by-gun (96 titles)  -->   suicide-by-gunshot (524 titles)


suicide-by-shooting-one's-self-in-the-head (32 titles)  -->  suicide-by-a-shot-to-the-head (4 titles)  -->  suicide-by-shooting-oneself-in-the-head (41 titles)


swordfight (73 titles)  -->  sword-fighting (462 titles)  -->  swordfighting (4 titles)  -->   sword-fight (2696 titles)

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"headshot" might refer an actor's photograph.  Think I recall submitting it that way once or twice in the past. Again, a title-by-title audit is needed.  "headshot-photograph" would probably be the best keyword for that situation in order to to avoid confusion.

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@bradley_kent​ Very good point. I quickly found at least one title with the keyword "headshot" that actually refers to a headshot photograph. I will remove this keyword from the list.

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Personally, I prefer stabbed-repeatedly as it is more succinct. 

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@adrian​ 

"stabbed-repeatedly" is more succinct, but hasn't been used as frequently.

Also, using "multiple-times" in the keyword allows for better alignment with these other existing keywords:

shot-multiple-times (593 titles)

shot-multiple-times-in-the-face (3 titles)

stabbed-in-the-belly-multiple-times (9 titles)

For some of the other keywords, like "raped" and "punched," the word "repeatedly" has been favored over "multiple-times." But given the clear preference for "multiple-times" within the "shot" and "stabbed" keywords, that seems to be the better way to go for all these keywords for global consistency.

On that note, I have also added "shot-repeatedly" and "shot-multiple-times" to this list. 

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Frequency shouldn't be the determining factor and you have merged in to less frequently used terms before. What should be the deciding factor is which is better going forward.

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Don't "multiple-times"and "repeatedly" belie IMDb's rule of using singulars rather that plurals?  "kissed-repeatedly"?  "more-that-ten-henchmen"?  "multiple-family-relationships"?  I thought we were ridding ourselves of plurals.  And, yes, I prefer "child" over "children."

Should almost every western have "horseback-riding-multiple-times" as a keyword?  Almost every music have "songs-repeatedly"?  "bare-chested-men-multpile-times"?  "sex-repeatedly"?

"multiple-times" and "repeatedly" keywords are too subjective, against IMDb's "singular" preference,  and should not be a part of any keyword.

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@adrian

Frequency shouldn't be the determining factor and you have merged in to less frequently used terms before. What should be the deciding factor is which is better going forward.​

We have had this conversation before, with a bunch of keywords. Once again, I have never said frequency should be a determining factor. Instead, I have said that it is is one of many important factors. In general, some of the relevant factors can include frequency on IMDb itself, frequency on the Internet at large, consistent usage across multiple keywords, proper grammar, clarity, and IMDb style conventions (e.g., favoring nouns over verbs, favoring nouns and verbs over adjectives and adverbs, favoring certain keywords with articles included). No one single factor should ever be determinative.

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@adrian​ Plus, in this case, "repeatedly" is an adverb that means "over and over again; constantly." Using "multiple-times" is more likely to include twice than "repeatedly." So one concern would be that where the keyword "stabbed-multiple-times" has been used for titles where someone is stabbed twice, changing that to "stabbed-repeatedly" would be less accurate (because "repeatedly" implies more than twice).

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@bradley_kent​ 

Doesn't "multiple-times"and "repeatedly" belie IMDb's rule of using singulars rather that plurals?  "kissed-repeatedly"?  "more-that-ten-henchmen"?  "multiple-family-relationships"?  I thought we were ridding ourselves of plurals.  

I don't believe "stabbed-multiple-times" or "shot-multiple-times" violate that guideline. These are acceptable keywords, just like "multiple-suspects," "multiple-personalities," "multiple-sex-positions," "actress-plays-multiple-roles," "multiple-girlfriends," "multiple-wives," etc. If you take the word "multiple" out of any of these keywords, the keyword would have a completely different meaning.

With most keywords that are nouns, it's not allowed to simply state the keyword as a plural. But as with any good rule there are exceptions, including the ones I've listed.

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@bradley_kent​ And since you raised "multiple-family-relationships," that reminds me that the keyword "family-relationships" itself violates the guideline favoring singular keywords over plural keywords. I think I am okay with that.

On the other hand, @Marco once said that it would be better to convert the keyword "family-relationships" to "family-relationship." After all, there are titles with only two family members where only that single relationship between those two people is relevant in the title, and where the keyword "family-relationship" would make a lot more sense.

But "family-relationships" is an extremely popular keyword -- probably because most titles do have multiple family relationships. 

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@keyword_expert​ 

In the thousands of movies and TV shows that I have seen, I can't remember a single instance where someone was stabbed exactly twice.

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@adrian​ Well if you are interested in finding such titles, just do a quick Google search for imdb "stabbed twice." There are lots of qualifying titles. Same with titles where someone is shot twice.

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@keyword_expert​ 

Keywords exist for stabbed-twice and shot-twice.

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@adrian​ Yes, and I see that they are not used super frequently, which means it is likely that for titles where someone is stabbed or shot twice, at least some contributors are using the "multiple-times" keywords instead of the "twice" keywords.

shot-twice (36 titles)

stabbed-twice (2 titles)

If in fact (as I suspect) some people have used the "multiple-times" keywords rather than the "twice" keywords, that is one of several reasons why it would not be a good idea to merge the "multiple-times" keywords to the "repeatedly" keywords -- it could result in inaccuracies because it would result in the "repeatedly" keywords being applied to titles where the stabbing or shooting happens only twice.

In this sense, the "multiple-times" keywords are arguably broader than the "repeatedly" keywords. In general, it usually makes more sense to merge narrower keywords into broader keywords, rather than the other way around.

When I point out that one keyword is much more popular than another keyword on IMDb, a lot more can come with that than just the sheer numbers. That is what I mean when I clarify that I am never intending to suggest that the sheer numbers alone should be the determinative factor.

There are usually reasons why a specific keyword has been used more frequently. It could be just one strong-willed (and sometimes misguided) individual. But with more common and generic keywords like these "multiple-times" and "repeatedly" keywords, it is probably because multiple people are arriving at this keyword for a variety of reasons that make it more appropriate. 

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I have just added two more sets of keywords to the list, the ones that merge into "gun-held-to-head" and "knife-held-to-throat." 

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I have just added one more merger to the list:

hand-gun (111 titles)  -->  handgun (1556 titles)

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@Bethanny

Now that the 14-day comment period on this keyword list has ended, I have converted this post to a "problem" post, and it is ready for action by IMDb staff. I will copy and paste the list below with the numbers of titles removed to facilitate the mass mergers and auto-conversions.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

child-with-gun  -->  child-with-a-gun 


death-by-gunshot  -->   death-by-gun-shot  -->  shot-dead -->  shot-to-death 

firing-a-gun-into-the-air  -->  firing-gun-into-air   -->  gun-shot-into-the-air  -->  shooting-a-gun-into-the-air 


flick-knife  -->  switchblade-knife  -->  switch-blade-knife  -->  switch-blade  -->   switchblade 


gun-fight  -->   gunfight 

gun-held-to-one's-head   -->  gun-held-to-someone's-head  -->  gun-held-to-head 


gun-shooting -->  shooting-gun  -->  firing-gun  -->  gun-firing   -->  gun-fired  -->  shooting-a-gun 


gun-shot   -->  gunshots   -->  gunshot 

hand-gun   -->  handgun 


holding-a-gun-to-one's-head   -->  holding-a-gun-to-own-head   -->  holding-a-gun-to-one's-own-head 

knife-held-to-someone's-throat  -->  knife-held-to-one's-throat   -->  holding-a-knife-at-someone's-throat   -->  holding-a-knife-to-someone's-throat  -->  hold-a-knife-to-someone's-throat   -->   knife-held-to-throat 


knocked-out-with-a-gun-butt  -->  knocked-out-with-gun-butt   -->  knocked-unconscious-with-a-gun-butt 

shot-repeatedly  -->  shot-multiple-times 

shot-to-head   -->  shot-in-head  -->   shot-in-the-head 


stabbed  -->  stab   -->   stabbing 


stabbed-repeatedly  -->   stabbed-multiple-times 

stabbed-with-knife   -->  knife-stab   -->  stabbed-with-a-knife 


suicide-by-gun    -->   suicide-by-gunshot 


suicide-by-shooting-one's-self-in-the-head   -->  suicide-by-a-shot-to-the-head  -->  suicide-by-shooting-oneself-in-the-head 


swordfight   -->  sword-fighting   -->  swordfighting  -->   sword-fight 

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I never have used "repeatedly" or "multiple-times" is a keyword submission, correction or addition because I still believe that they violate IMDb's guideline preferring singular rather than plural keywords.

And, of course, there ARE exceptions, not only " family-relationships," but also words like "physics," "mathematics," etc.  It would be interesting to make a list of acceptable plurals, especially acceptable keywords that end with the letter "s".

Not only Westerns and Crime films, but War films would also need a lot of unnecessary plural keywords if "repeatedly" and "multiple-times" are a part of keywords.  An air raid or a bombing or an explosion rarely kills only one person!

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@bradley_kent​ 

I view keywords like "stabbed-multiple-times" and "stabbed-repeatedly" to be exceptions to the normal rule against plural keywords. These keywords are phrases (not just simple nouns) that refer to a specific concept that is different in meaning from the singular concept, so it's a different plot point.

There are already quite a few acceptable keywords along these lines, all of which are allowed.

multiple-storylines (333 titles)

multiple-endings (301 titles)

multiple-perspectives (300 titles)

multiple-murders (203 titles)

shot-multiple-times (593 titles)

multiple-time-frames (136 titles) (this one should be spelled "multiple-timeframes")

multiple-cameos (96 titles)

multiple-suspects (74 titles)

multiple-narrators (72 titles)

multiple-lovers (67 titles)

multiple-identities (36 titles)

multiple-personality (135 titles)

multiple-protagonists (108 titles)

multiple-ejaculations (61 titles)

multiple-orgasms (123 titles)

actor-voices-multiple-characters (1470 titles)

actor-playing-multiple-roles (1136 titles)

actress-voices-multiple-characters (1016 titles)

punched-in-the-face-multiple-times (95 titles)

stabbed-in-the-belly-multiple-times (9 titles)

raped-multiple-times (7 titles)

multiple-timelines (25 titles)

And those are just a few that specifically contain the word "multiple." There are hundreds, if not thousands, of other acceptable keywords like this that don't contain the word "multiple."

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I have added one more keyword to the list:

 shot-dead (134 titles)  -->   shot-to-death (7239 titles)

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1 year ago

Bump.

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I don't know how I missed this originally but 

gun-held-to-one's-head  should be merged into holding-a-gun-to-one's-own-head  not gun-held-to-head 

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@adrian​ That would be a very likely interpretation, but the problem is that different contributors use the word "one's" to have different meanings in various keywords. 

Here, the keyword "gun-held-to-one's-head" could mean, from the perspective of the protagonist, that a gun is being held by someone else to the protagonist's head. 

In fact, based on how I have seen the world "one's" used by some contributors in other keywords, I am quite sure that some contributors intended that very meaning for the keyword "gun-held-to-one's-head."

Another clue is the word "held," which is a slightly different word from "holding." The word "held" could imply by somebody else. And it probably does mean exactly that, at least as used by some contributors. 

Given the uncertainties and possible conflicting meanings, I think we should be cautious and not merge these particular keywords. The safer bet is to merge into "gun-held-to-head," which will not create any inaccuracies no matter what. 

The keyword "holding-a-gun-to-one's-head" is a little different. This keyword is so close to "holding-a-gun-to-one's-own-head" that I think we can safely assume they mean the same thing in all instances. An important consideration is the use of the word "holding" in combination with the word "one's," which could imply something different from the word "held."

All in all, the cautious approach is best, and in the process we can eliminate bad, vague keywords like "gun-held-to-one's-head," because these types of keywords do not indicate who is doing the holding (whether it is the same person whose head the gun is being held to, or a second person). 

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Hi @keyword_expert

We sincerely apologize for the delayed response in circling back to this older keyword proposal request.
We regret that we are unable to take the requested keyword actions raised in this thread and will be marking this as Closed. For more information please review our recent and more detailed response on this previous thread. Again, while we truly appreciate the requests, we are sorry we cannot assist further