Duplicate Keywords - List #4.1 (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion) (april fool's joke)

Here is the next installment of my lists of proposed keywords for permanent merger and auto-conversion.

I am posting this for fellow contributors to review first and raise any objections or questions. I will wait at least seven days before changing this post to a "problem" post and asking IMDb staff to make the proposed changes.

The mergers and auto-conversions should be made in the direction of the arrows.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

spring (372 titles) --> spring-season (5 titles) --> spring-the-season (27 titles)

data (95 titles) --> datum [new keyword]

duplication (47 titles) --> copy (38 titles) --> duplicate (102 titles)

movie-fan (164 titles) --> movie-lover (6 titles) --> cinephiles (3 titles) --> cinephile (47 titles)

confusing (6 titles) --> mass-confusion (69 titles) --> confusion (764 titles)

goof-up (3 titles) --> goof-reel (4 titles) --> goofing (12 titles) --> goof (37 titles)

tricking (8 titles) --> trickery (417 titles) --> tricks (46 titles) --> tricked (93 titles) --> trick (440 titles)

jokes (111 titles) --> joke (1808 titles)

bad-joke (112 titles) --> bad-jokes (7 titles)

titles (1 title) --> title (35 titles)

car-keys (208 titles) --> car-key (45 titles)

words (16 titles) --> word (414 titles)

expertise (24 titles) --> experts (5 titles) --> expert (674 titles)

self-reference (1 title) --> self-referencing-movie (1 title) --> self-referential (378 titles)

meta-humor (125 titles) --> self-referential-humor (12 titles)

character-says-this-is-not-a-joke (1 title) --> character-says-it's-all-a-joke (1 title)

april-fools-day-hoax (2 titles) --> april-fools-day-prank (8 titles) --> april-fools-day-joke (5 titles) --> april-fool's-day-special (1 title)

posted (1 title) --> posting (3 titles) --> post (86 titles)

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bradley_kent

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Don't know how you can merge "character-says-" IF it is an actual quote of what a character says? If only one word is different in the quote, that makes it a different quote.

Still think that all "character-says-" keywords should be deleted. This sort of info belongs in "Quotes." Again, more duplication.

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scgary66

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3 years ago

I don't think there's any complaint about converting plurals (jokes), as they're really only appropriate when you're dealing with something that always comes in multiples (binoculars, trousers, eyeglasses, handcuffs, twins); I think you got the bad-jokes conversion backward, though.

I think 'cinephilia' (84 titles) is a better choice than those you suggested. And 'self-referential' seems OK.

I'd be VERY cautious about converting 'spring' automatically, as there are a variety of related terms with different meanings (water-spring, hot-spring, coil-spring, etc.); I have long hoped that the submission system would provide various options for vague keywords.

I agree with the earlier response about 'character-says' keywords; there's a quote search option, and the usage here results in a host of ridiculously specific keywords.

As for 'tricking', 'deception' is probably a good alternative in many cases (it seems the less benign 'deceit' has largely vanished for some reason).

Vague keywords like 'word' are always a problem, as they lend themselves to rampant overuse. After all, almost every title has words; something more precise is advisable. Same goes for 'title'. (I could go off on the topic of writing credits with the attribute (words), but that's another issue.)

I don't have a problem with 'data', as the singular 'datum' is rarely used.

Each of the 'goof'-related keywords seems an awkward substitute for something more self-explanatory; are we talking about bloopers, filmmaking mistakes, or errors by characters?

The more basic 'april-fool's-day' seems reasonable enough to me, since it seems to already imply some sort of prank or joke, but I suppose adding '-prank' wouldn't be a big deal.

A few of the others ('duplication', 'post') also fall into the category of vague keywords with potentially multiple meanings.

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keyword_expert

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3 years ago

@bradley_kent @gary_krause_dsb3tl1xamjcb

Thank you for weighing in on this extremely important list of duplicate keywords on this important day.

Just so you know, I developed the list based on the keywords of this title:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047358/reference/

Edit: The full film from where these keywords were obtained is highly recommended and can be viewed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

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Peter_pbn

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I believe this would apply:

joke-going-over-everyone's-head

3 years ago

keyword_expert

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@Peter_pbn Shouldn't that be merged with don't-get-the-joke?

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keyword_expert

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3 years ago

Bump.

Just a few more hours to comment on this incredibly important keyword list!

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Michelle

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3 years ago

Hi keyword_expert -

I have applied all the Keyword merges and auto-conversions except for a few of the following, as I wanted some additional clarity on the requests -

character-says-this-is-not-a-joke (1 title) --> character-says-it's-all-a-joke (1 title)

It seems these are two separate phrases, one saying "this is not a joke" and the other saying "it's all a joke". Since they have separate meanings I have now not merged these, however, let me know if you have additional thoughts.

april-fools-day-hoax (2 titles) --> april-fools-day-prank (8 titles) --> april-fools-day-joke (5 titles) --> april-fool's-day-special (1 title)

I can see the purpose of merging the first three, however, I'm not certain that they should be merged into "april-fool's-day-special" as "special" doesn't seem to be the same as a hoax/prank/joke. If you have additional thoughts on this one let me know!

Cheers!

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bradley_kent

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@Michelle Totally illogical and irrational! "Since they have separate meanings I have now merged these." What? They have "separate meanings,"and YET you merge them. This makes no sense whatsoever, and encourages the "merges" of all sorts of things that have "sepaeate meanings." I hope this is a mistake.

Also, there should be an investigation into the inclusion of ANY "character-says-" keywords. I still believe (although I can't find it) that such keywords were outlawed in the past (years ago), after which there was A RUSH TO DELETE thousands of "character-says-" keywords following that directive. They were really cluttering up the keywords, coming from almost every sentence of dualogue or narrative in a title. They even included ridiculous things like "character-says-er," "character-says-what," etc.

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keyword_expert

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@Michelle OMG! This entire post was an April Fools' joke! I can't believe anybody fell for it, least of all the staff, and especially given that I had already marked the list as "solved," I never referred this list to staff, and I haven't been able to get any action from staff on my actual lists of duplicate keywords for months now. The list (and entire thread) was so blatantly a joke. I am just blown away that it was taken seriously.

I am typing this on my phone right now. When I get back to a computer I will try to sort out the damage done. I fear some of it may be irreversible given that mass mergers can't be undone. What an awful mess.

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adrian

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@bradley_kent

Learn to read typos? She obviously meant that they weren't actually merged. Context is your friend.

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keyword_expert

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@Michelle

I have reviewed all the modifications made from this list, and the good news is many of the mergers were totally fine to make, and for the undesired mergers, most of them can be undone manually.

Through Google caches, I was able to compile lists of most of the titles that had the old keywords prior to the mass mergers. I can use these lists to manually revert the mergers.

Can you please reverse these changes? If so, I can take care of the rest.

1. "spring"

a. Please undo this auto-conversion: spring --> spring-the-season

b. Please mass-merge all titles with "spring-the-season" back to "spring"

c. After you make those changes, I will manually edit the 32 titles that previously had "spring-season" or "spring-the-season" back to "spring-the-season."

2. "data"

a. Please undo this auto-conversion: data --> datum

b. Please mass-merge all keywords with "datum" back to "data"

3. "copy"

a. Please undo this auto-conversion: copy --> duplicate

b. After you make that change, I will manually edit the 38 titles with the "copy" keyword back in place.

4. "mass-confusion"

a. Please undo this auto-conversion: mass-confusion --> confusion

b. After you make that change, I will manually edit most of the titles with the "mass-confusion" keyword back in place. (Unfortunately, I was only able to figure out 54 of these 68 titles. The remaining 14 titles will have the "confusion" keyword.)

5. "goof-up"

a. Please undo this auto-conversion: goof-up --> goof

b. After you make that change, I will manually edit the 3 titles with the "goof-up" keyword back in place.

6. "goof-reel"

a. Please undo this auto-conversion: goof-reel --> goof

7. "car-keys"

a. Please undo this auto-conversion: car-keys --> car-key

b. Please mass-merge all keywords with the "car-key" keyword back to "car-keys"

c. After you make those changes, I will manually edit 44 of the 45 titles back to the "car-key" keyword. (I could not track down the 45th title.)

8. "expertise"

a. Please undo this auto-conversion: expertise --> expert

b. After you make that change, I will manually edit the 24 titles with the "expertise" keyword back in place.

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Unfortunately, I was not able to determine the 4 titles that previously had the "goof-reel" keyword, nor 14 of the 68 titles that previously had the "mass-confusion" keyword.

I tried Google cache, Bing cache, and the Wayback Machine (archive.org), but there are no caches of the "goof-reel" keyword list in any of those sources, and because each page of the "mass-confusion" keyword list is limited to 50 titles, it is not possible to view the titles on the second page.

Does IMDb staff have the ability to determine the full lists of titles that had the "goof-reel" and "mass-confusion" keywords? Do any contributors have any ideas on how to do this?

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keyword_expert

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I believe I figured out which three titles previously had the keyword "goof-reel." This search yields all three titles (and only these three titles): https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?title=goof+reel

1. Return Home: Goof Reel (2005 Video)

2. The Battlers: Goof Reel (1994 Video)

3. Garage Days: Goofs Reel (2002 Video)

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bradley_kent

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If this is, in fact, an April Fools' Day joke, it is a blatant abuse of the Data Issues & Policy Discussions page, and the IMDb staff should take appropriate action in response to the original poster.

I take everything that i post here as serious, and I respond and participate in kind. This is not a place fpr jokes, but for serous-minded people who, like me, work to help make IMDb as factual and truthful as possible. No kidding!

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keyword_expert

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2 years ago

Thank you to IMDb staff for undoing the requested mergers. I have now finished cleaning up these keywords and restored them as close as possible to their original state.

This thread can now be marked as solved and closed. Thanks again.

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Maya

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1 year ago

Hi @keyword_expert -

We sincerely apologize for the delayed response in circling back to this older keyword proposal request.

We regret that we are unable to take the requested keyword actions raised in this thread and will be marking this as Closed. For more information please review our recent and more detailed response on this previous thread. Again, while we truly appreciate the requests, we are sorry we cannot assist further.

Thanks!

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Duplicate Keywords - List #4.1 (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion) (april fool's joke)

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scgary66

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Peter_pbn

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Michelle

bradley_kent

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adrian

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1. Return Home: Goof Reel (2005 Video)

2. The Battlers: Goof Reel (1994 Video)

3. Garage Days: Goofs Reel (2002 Video)

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