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Duplicate Keywords - List #24 (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion) (real life people keywords)

Here is the next installment of my lists of proposed keywords for permanent merger and auto-conversion. 

I am posting this for fellow contributors to review first and raise any objections or questions. I will wait at least seven days before changing this post to a "problem" post and asking IMDb staff to make the proposed changes.

The mergers and auto-conversions should be made in the direction of the arrows.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

beethoven (84 titles) --> ludwig-van-beethoven (23 titles) --> reference-to-ludwig-von-beethoven (15 titles) --> beethoven-reference (3 titles) --> reference-to-ludwig-van-beethoven (323 titles)

churchill (6 titles) --> winston-churchill (65 titles) --> reference-to-churchill (8 titles) --> reference-to-winston-churchill (472 titles)

elvis (52 titles) --> elvis-presley (174 titles) --> reference-to-elvis (37 titles) --> reference-to-elvis-presley (684 titles)

franklin-d.-roosevelt (2 titles) --> reference-to-franklin-d-roosevelt (9 titles) --> reference-to-franklin.d.roosvelt (1 title) --> reference-to-franklin-delano-roosevelt (25 titles) --> reference-to-franklin-delano--roosevelt (7 titles) --> reference-to-president-frankin-d-roosevelt (4 titles) --> reference-to-fdr (2 titles) --> reference-to-franklin-d.-roosevelt (377 titles)

hitler (45 titles) --> adolph-hitler (8 titles) --> reference-to-adolph-hitler (23 titles) --> reference-to-adolf-hitler (2085 titles)

jfk (21 titles) -->  john-f.-kennedy (16 titles) -->  john-f-kennedy (3 titles) -->  reference-to-john-fitzgerald-kennedy (17 titles) --> reference-to-john-f.-kennedy (504 titles)

lenin (38 titles) -->  vladimir-lenin (5 titles) -->  reference-to-lenin (159 titles) --> reference-to-vladimir-lenin (94 titles)

lyndon-b.-johnson (4 titles) --> lyndon-johnson (3 titles) --> reference-to-lyndon-johnson (117 titles) --> reference-to-lyndon-b-johnson (12 titles) --> reference-to-lyndon-baines-johnson (2 titles) --> reference-to-lbj (1 title) --> reference-to-lyndon-b.-johnson (33 titles)

mussolini (22 titles) -->  benito-mussolini (22 titles) -->  reference-to-benito-mussolini (267 titles)

princess-diana (59 titles)  -->  reference-to-princess-diana (255 titles)

putin (34 titles) --> vladimir-putin (32 titles) --> reference-to-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin (8 titles) --> reference-to-vladimir-putin (544 titles)

saddam-hussein (137 titles) --> reference-to-saddam-hussein (209 titles)

stalin (84 titles) --> josef-stalin (78 titles) -->  joseph-stalin (13 titles) --> reference-to-josef-stalin (379 titles) --> reference-to-joseph-stalin (149 titles)

the-beatles (205 titles)  -->  beatles (42 titles) -->  reference-to-the-beatles (715 titles)

theodore-roosevelt (41 titles) --> reference-to-teddy-roosevelt (10 titles) --> reference-to-theodore-roosevelt (174 titles)

trump-presidency (82 titles) --> donald-trump-presidency (383 titles)

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Hi keyword_expert-

 

All the list of keywords has been merged and auto-converted.

 

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ Thank you!!

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Standalone proper names are, of course, not intended to be keywords, but they must be audited carefully.  IF the person appears in archive footage, they should be added to the cast listing.  If they are just talked about or appear on-screen in a picture or drawing or text, the reference-to- keyword is appropriate.

''Just because a standalone proper name now appears as an incorrect  keyword, one should not assume that it is automatically a reference-to- situation.

P.S.  Of late, I have been having difficulty in getting the staff to accept a cast addition of someone who appears in archive footage.  (And I am not talking about someone in a title that already exists on IMDb, which should be, according go guidelines, eliminated.) Don't know why there has been such hesitancy in adding people who appear in legitimate archive footage to the cast listing???

Just one title of many recent examples of these kinds of rejections:  (I have seen this film.  Guess IMDb hasn't.)

220412-155307-133000
Track Contribution
2022-04-12 15:53:07 Red Rocket (2021)
Cast -  1 credit added
220412-155203-274000
Track Contribution
2022-04-12 15:52:03 Red Rocket (2021)
Cast -  1 credit added

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https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/standalone-names-shouldnt-be-keywords/5f4a7c488815453dbafe9de9

I have been working on this listing for years, renting and borrowing and searching on line for actual copies of titles to clarify standalone "name" keywords.  Instead of just merging them (again, an expedient, scorched earth policy), why not join in the research so they can have the "correct" keyword?

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@bradley_kent​ If the mergers and auto-conversions had been performed by IMDb staff three years ago back when @Marco first posted some of these standalone name keywords, then we wouldn't still be discussing the problems with these keywords.

Manual editing of large numbers of keywords by contributors on a private, temporary basis (as opposed to mass keyword edits by IMDb staff following a public discussion) can in fact prolong these types of problems indefinitely by giving both staff and other contributors a false sense of the true extent of the problem. Meanwhile, the underlying problem has not been resolved, and the manual editing is doomed to be repeated like a Sisyphean task when the improper keywords build up again. 

In this way, private manual editing (or "auditing" as you like to call it) can actually exacerbate the problem. It's like putting a bandage on a large wound that requires surgery and calling it good.

Thanks for the link to that other post, though. It gives me a few more ideas for future requests for mass mergers and auto-conversions. In the meantime, I would ask that you please don't "audit" any of the other keywords on that list, because that could give everyone else a false sense of security that the problems with these keywords are not as big as they truly are.

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@bradley_kent​ Once again, thanks for all the work you've done regarding these keywords. It's a pity IMDb wasn't willing to block new additions of these keywords, that would've made your job a whole lot easier.

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I added a few more keywords to this post, taken from the most prevalent and problematic of @Marco's keyword list here.

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@keyword_expert​ Thanks for adding some keywords to your list. That'll decrease the problem quite a bit.

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FYC:

The Rolling Stones (18 titles) --> Reference to the rolling stones (263 titles)

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@Pencho15​ I appreciate the thought, but I like to reserve my public lists for keywords (or sets of multiple keywords) that total 50 titles or more.

That way, we get the biggest "bang for our buck" asking IMDb staff to do the changes on a mass scale, rather than making the edits manually ourselves.

"the-rolling-stones" only has 18 titles currently.

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Now that the seven-day comment period has passed, I am changing this to a problem post and the keyword list is ready for action by IMDb staff. Below is the full list with the numbers of titles removed.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

beethoven  --> ludwig-van-beethoven --> reference-to-ludwig-von-beethoven  --> beethoven-reference  --> reference-to-ludwig-van-beethoven 

churchill --> winston-churchill --> reference-to-churchill --> reference-to-winston-churchill 

elvis  --> elvis-presley --> reference-to-elvis --> reference-to-elvis-presley 

franklin-d.-roosevelt  --> reference-to-franklin-d-roosevelt  --> reference-to-franklin.d.roosvelt --> reference-to-franklin-delano-roosevelt --> reference-to-franklin-delano--roosevelt  --> reference-to-president-frankin-d-roosevelt  --> reference-to-fdr  --> reference-to-franklin-d.-roosevelt 

hitler  --> adolph-hitler  --> reference-to-adolph-hitler  --> reference-to-adolf-hitler 

jfk  -->  john-f.-kennedy  -->  john-f-kennedy  -->  reference-to-john-fitzgerald-kennedy  --> reference-to-john-f.-kennedy 

lenin  -->  vladimir-lenin  -->  reference-to-lenin  --> reference-to-vladimir-lenin 

lyndon-b.-johnson --> lyndon-johnson --> reference-to-lyndon-johnson  --> reference-to-lyndon-b-johnson  --> reference-to-lyndon-baines-johnson  --> reference-to-lbj  --> reference-to-lyndon-b.-johnson 

mussolini -->  benito-mussolini -->  reference-to-benito-mussolini 

princess-diana   -->  reference-to-princess-diana 

putin  --> vladimir-putin  --> reference-to-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin  --> reference-to-vladimir-putin 

saddam-hussein  --> reference-to-saddam-hussein 

stalin  --> josef-stalin  -->  joseph-stalin  --> reference-to-josef-stalin  --> reference-to-joseph-stalin 

the-beatles   -->  beatles  -->  reference-to-the-beatles 

theodore-roosevelt  --> reference-to-teddy-roosevelt  --> reference-to-theodore-roosevelt 

trump-presidency  --> donald-trump-presidency 

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I am not sure why this thread has been marked as "solved." It is definitely not solved. 

Edit: Thank you for placing this thread back to "no status."

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