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Deletion of a plot outline that just says "Plot under wraps" keeps getting rejected
I've twice tried deleting the plot outline of Skazka (2022), which just says "Plot under wraps," and been rejected both times, first as "Factually incorrect" and then as "Does not meet contribution guidelines" (220817-220402-134000, 220827-001418-037000). Not only is "Plot under wraps" not a plot outline but just a description of the state of whether the plot is known to the public—according to the contribution guidelines, which you say the deletion does not meet, "Outlines provide a brief description of the storyline to help inform people of the events taking place in the title"—it's not even true as it's already screened at Locarno and been reviewed by, among others, Variety, Screen, IONCINEMA, Little White Lies, and The Film Stage, which all describe the plot. The rejection is absolutely Kafkaesque.
Marco
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2 years ago
Unfortunately, this is a common problem: https://www.imdb.com/search/title-text/?plot=under-wraps
Hopefully, IMDb will respond to this matter.
Update: I like this one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21226634/plotsummary
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Fran
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2 years ago
Hello Nardog,
According to our guidelines for Plot Outlines this does not go against any policy, adding "Plot under wraps" is acceptable. This is a valid entry for the movie/project owners to let the users know that the Plot has not been released or finished yet . What we recommend you to do, is to set the correct plot by submitting a correction/modification if the plot is already known/released.
The submissions were declined because we do not delete factual information, you can correct the item instead of removing the live data. Our guidelines, information and instructions can be found on our Plot Outlines help page.
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Fran
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2 years ago
Hi all,
Feel free to modify/correct the incorrect Plot outlines using our self service on the IMDb page, in case the Live Plots are not correct or the Plots are already known, by contributing the correct data is the best way to get the database updated. Our Help Guides have the information and instructions, for you to contribute the Plot Outlines.
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plur62
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2 years ago
On mobile version you can completely change or edit plot outline/summary (fix errors, incorrect info etc.) only if it is anonymously written, but when is signed author under, you can't do nothing, because author name is not visible on site when you go through Edit Page, so you can't keep his name when you edit something, you will get this message every time - "Does not meet contribution guidelines".
This is a big problem that I hope will be solved somehow.
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keyword_expert
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2 years ago
I read through this whole thread and I have a couple of comments.
First, I think the most reasonable approach is that "plot under wraps" should be allowed before a title is released. But once the title is released, it simply makes no sense for "plot under wraps" to be the plot summary. @Fran, I think that is the point everyone is trying to make in this thread. It's all about timing: it matters whether we are talking about before a title is released versus after.
Second, I have also seen a proliferation of "plot under wraps" being retained as plots for titles that have already been released.
Below is a link to a title search showing that there are currently 493 titles with "plot under wraps" within the plot summary. Of those 493 titles, by my rough count between two and three dozen of these titles have actually been released (and therefore "plot under wraps" is an inaccurate and improper plot summary):
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot%20under%20wraps&sort=release_date,asc
Third, I have noticed that it can often be very difficult to edit titles that are recently released or not yet released. This goes for plot summaries and keywords. There seems to be a special layer of "protection" that can make it difficult to edit the data for new titles. This is especially true for keywords on titles not yet released. I'm guessing that was the difficulty here for the title in question.
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keyword_expert
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2 years ago
@Fran
This is getting ridiculous.
My attempts to delete "Plot under wraps" as one of the plot summaries for this title were rejected under Contribution #221002-180431-627000.
The title was released two months ago and has reviews all over the Internet.
Therefore, the plot for this title is no longer "under wraps." That makes "Plot under wraps" a factually inaccurate plot summary for this title. Yet IMDb will not let it be deleted.
Even worse, "Plot under wraps" is one of three different plot summaries for this title. The other two summaries are extensive and accurate:
Why in the world would IMDb want to retain "Plot under wraps" under these circumstances? I would think IMDb would want its data to be accurate.
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Bethanny
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2 years ago
Hello everyone!
I have raised a ticket to our policy team to decide how to solve this. At the moment, if the plot is no longer under wraps (as it is not obviously when movie is already released) there will be for sure a plot to add, so please instead of deleting them, replace them with the new plot. This might change when our policy team makes a decision but I will keep you posted with the resolution.
Cheers!
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keyword_expert
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2 years ago
Here are some links to find these types of "plot under wraps" empty plot summaries:
Plot Matching "plot is undisclosed" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+is+undisclosed&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot undisclosed" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+undisclosed&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot is under wraps" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+is+under+wraps&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot under wraps" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+under+wraps&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot not disclosed" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+not+disclosed&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot is not disclosed" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+is+not+disclosed&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot is not available" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+is+not+available&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot is not known" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+is+not+known&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot is unknown" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+is+unknown&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "plot outline" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=plot+outline&sort=release_date,asc
Plot Matching "upon request" (Sorted by Release Date Ascending)
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?plot=upon+request&sort=release_date,asc
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gromit82
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6 months ago
In the past, Col Needham has said that when a problem can be solved with software, IMDb usually prefers to do so.
So here is one idea which, while not perfect, could alleviate the problem of "Plot under wraps".
If a title's plot outline consists only of the words "Plot under wraps", "Plot kept under wraps", or another designation which IMDb has identified as having the same meaning, that outline should automatically be deleted on the title's release date. After all, once a title is released, its plot is no longer under wraps.
This would not solve the problem entirely, as some contributors might still use "Plot under wraps" as a plot outline for a not-yet-released title whose plot is by no means secret. But it should help.
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