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C'mon, (C'mon) IMDb, what are you thinking re genres, subgenres and keywords?

When it comes to genres, subgenres and keywords, why is IMDb being so illogical, even defying its own guidelines and encouraging unnecessary, cluttering repetition?  It makes no sense.

KEYWORDS SHOULD NOT REPEAT GENRES BY COMBINING THEM.

“war-romance,” simply (and obviously), combines two genres as a keyword, yet IMDb STILL refuses to remove it as a keyword from the ONE title that STILL has it as a keyword:

Flight with Firebird (2022)

KEYWORDS SHOULD NOT BE SYNONYMS OF GENRES.

For many many years, a keyword like “life-story” was NOT acceptable in lieu of the genre Biography, yet IMDb refuses to delete the “life-story” keyword from this one title:

Biggie: I Got a Story to Tell (2021)

“biopic” is also a synonym for the Biography genre and needs to be blocked.

Similarly, many years ago, “love-story” was deemed as an unnecessary keyword in lieu of the Romance genre.

GENRE RELATED KEYWORDS SHOULD NOT BE REPETITIOUS AND REDUNDANT.

One has to wonder how dumb IMDb thinks its users are:  “golf-sport”? What IS golf if not a sport?  And, couldn’t titles about golf just simply be searched by entering the keyword “golf”?

“sitcom-comedy”?  “winter-sports-sport”?  

The list of subgenres needs to be drastically edited.  And, at the same tile, this ridiculous list even excludes some very obvious and apparent and universally accepted subgenres. “neo-noir,” anyone? “screwball-comedy”?

THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TINE, NOW, AND NEEDS ATTENTION, NOW.

PLEASE DO NOT MERGE THIS INTO ANOTHER TREAD ON THIS PAGE, even though I know there have been similar postings

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@bradley_kent   IMDb staff have already stated they are looking into all of the subgenre and multiple-genre keyword combination issues that you raise in this post.

As for the genre-synonym keyword issues, those are being handled separately via our "audits" and requests for mass deletions and blocking. (I will add "biopic" to the pending list of genre-synonym keywords ready to be blocked and deleted. "life-story" is already on the list. There is no need to delete either of these keywords from single titles, since they should instead be mass-deleted and blocked by IMDb staff.)

Repeatedly posting multiple demands that IMDb address these topics and yelling in all caps will not change anything.

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You seem to have a tendency to jump to faulty conclusions.  These two titles and keywords are just "examples."  Both were submitted for deletions a couple times, and, STILL, the IMDb staff has not accepted or processed those deletions.  I don't know if it's a technical problem, or what, but there seems to be a situation where submitted deletions linger on, sometimes one, two or more titles.  Occasionally, some of those titles no longer HAVE the keyword that has been deleted, but they are STILL incorrectly listed as having it.

The point is:  No keyword should repeat a genre (as stated by IMDb's own guidelines), alone or in combination with another genre.  (Yes, genres can appear in keywords as a prefix or suffix, but with something other than another genre.)

My level of frustration with the inaction is why I "yell in caps."  This has been going on even before that nefarious list of subgenres appeared.  It is time for some decision-making and some action.

P.S. The deletions of keywords on a single title are often part of a thorough and comprehensive audit.

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@bradley_kent​ 

You seem to have a tendency to jump to faulty conclusions. 

You will need to be more specific than that. What were my "conclusions" here that you believe are "faulty?"

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I request a blocking only after I have completed an audit.  This often entails further research, including renting or even buying a dvd, or borrowing one (if available) from a library., or asking another contributor to help.  This usually takes time.

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Hi bradley_kent -

My apologies for the delayed reply.  Your posts on this topic have been moved to a single thread just so we can keep track of all the comments, in the meantime, the issue you raised regarding our policies and listings of combined genre and sub-genre keywords is currently being discussed internally by the appropriate teams. 

As soon as I have an update I will certainly relay the information and confirm any changes here in the community.

Thanks in advance for your patience!

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@Michelle​ I had requested that this not be merged with another thread.  Whatever...

To what "thread" has it been moved?

This issue has been pending for quite some times.  I have patience, but the solution seems quite simple and obvious IF the staff follows IMDb's own previously outlined and instituted guidelines, and IF the staff lets rationality and intelligence "rule the day" instead of subjective preferences or agendas.  A genre should be a genre,  a subgenre should be a subgenre, and a keyword should be a keyword -- things that exist without individual inclinations or personal musings.  Literary and Dramatic theory has set the basic parameters. It has evolved, but it all goes back to Aristotle.

IMDb seems confused as to WHAT is a genre, WHAT is a subgenre and WHAT is a keyword, and they have been mixed together into a pot of confusion.

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@keyword_expert​ keyword_expert​ PLEASE DO NT MERGE.  I GET BETTER RESPONSE FROM THE STAFF WHEN IT IS NOT MERGED.

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@bradley_kent​ You have already received a response from staff, though. Several times, in fact. And yet you keep creating new threads on the same topic. 

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But... on some of my posts, they have actually taken the requested action.  Most merged posts just seem to go on and on, withoou a resolution.

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@bradley_kent​  IMDb staff have repeatedly told you they are looking into the issue, including in this very thread:

the issue you raised regarding our policies and listings of combined genre and sub-genre keywords is currently being discussed internally by the appropriate teams. 

As soon as I have an update I will certainly relay the information and confirm any changes here in the community.

Thanks in advance for your patience!

Given that fact, do you think it is a good use of everyone's time for you to keep posting and bumping multiple new threads on the same topic?

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Still "looking into the issue"?  How about some action?

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@bradley_kent​

Most of the "issues" you raised in this thread have already been resolved. If you expect further action on something else, you should be more specific. 

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