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Changing a name can cause a problem

Please read this and let me know whether you agree or if I have misunderstood something.

 

I think IMDB has a problem when it changes the names of individuals without examining their credits carefully.

 For example

Felix Mendelssohn – nm0006196 

For some time, Felix Mendelssohn appeared on IMDB under the name ‘Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy’. 

I was mystified by this because to me he had always been simply ‘Felix Mendelssohn’.  When I learnt music that was the name I knew him under. I accepted that IMDB had a reason(s) for this and used that form of his name.

 When I added links to Soundtrack items where he was just ‘Felix Mendelssohn’, I had to add an attribute to indicate this i.e. 

Written by [link=nm0006196] (as Felix Mendelssohn)

Today, I noted that his name is no longer of the form, ‘Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy’, but is now ‘Felix Mendelssohn’. All his credits have now changed to ‘Felix Mendelssohn’. This is a strength of the system in that by changing the name attached to a code, all instances of that code anywhere in the data reflect the change.

In my opinion, this creates a major problem in terms of IMDB’s quest for accuracy.

To explain, I will use an example.

Note: an inherent assumption in what follows is that whoever entered the Soundtrack item originally did so accurately.

Two years I submitted an edit of a Soundtrack item in which I added the link to ‘Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy’.

Ref no. #180402-124144-267000
Old -  Text: "Violin Concerto - Andante" Written by Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy
New -  Text: "Violin Concerto - Andante" Written by [link=nm0006196]
Explanation: Adding link

 The changed item would have appeared like so

Violin Concerto - Andante 
Written by Felix Mendelssoh-Bartholdy

Now it appears like this 

Violin Concerto - Andante 
Written by Felix Mendelssohn 

There is no longer any indication that the on-screen credit was given to ‘Felix Mendelssohn–Bartholdy’.

It should appear like this 

Violin Concerto - Andante 
Written by Felix Mendelssohn (as Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy)

IMDB always states that it reflects accurately and exactly what appears on the screen. 

In this case it no longer does.

And I am sure there would be other instances of this amongst Mendelssohn’s credits, and it would have happened for other artists as well.

Comments?

Addendum:

If the above is accurate, every credit for 'Felix Mendelssohn' must now be given the attribute '(as Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy)' as that is what it would have been before the change, except for the credits where there exists the attribute, '(as Felix Mendelssohn)'. These attributes must be removed as the credits now read, for example, 

Written by Felix Mendelssohn (as Felix Mendelssohn)


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I sympathize with your report. There are a LOT of credits that now have an unnecessary attribute, leading me to suspect the others might be credited under the hyphenated name.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006196/
I wish I had easy access to one of the now un-attributed titles, to see what the onscreen credit really looks like. I too am unfamiliar with Mendelssohn-Bartholdy, and am suspicious about the commonality of its use onscreen. 
I searched for IMDbTV or Prime Video $0, but the only result already has the -B... attribute:
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?online_availability=US%2FIMDbTV,US%2Ftoday%2FAmazon%2Fsubs&role=nm0006196
Nor do the titles I own have the lack of attribute.

When I click Show All credits on Mendelssohn's page, I find 35 "-Barth" on the page. So that credit was indeed preserved for some titles.

BTW, here is the page in March 2020, still with the hyphenate:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200325012247/https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006196/

Bottom line: I'd be very wary of changing the bulk of his credits to have the "as ...-Bartholdy" attribute, because I don't trust that contributors are always meticulous about entering an attribute for a shortened version of the name, especially when it's the mostly commonly used form. (In case that wasn't clear: if I saw that his name was FM-B on IMDb, I may not have entered "as FM" with his credit. I'm abbreviating for this post.)

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IMDB always states that it reflects accurately and exactly what appears on the screen. In this case it no longer does. And I am sure there would be other instances of this amongst Mendelssohn’s credits

There are a LOT of credits that now have an unnecessary attribute, leading me to suspect the others might be credited under the hyphenated name. [...] I wish I had easy access to one of the now un-attributed titles, to see what the onscreen credit really looks like.
I just checked one of the now un-attributed titles at random (Neruda) and, indeed...

...a manual clean-up may be needed.

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Hey all - I've made a submission to Neruda to add the as attribute. For the investigation and cleanup of his credits I've filed a ticket with our tech team to carry this out, but it would help massively if anyone here can pitch in and submit corrections for this as there are 1,127 credits to check. If you make a correction please comment below and I can pass on to the team that they don't need to investigate that credit.

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If you make a correction please comment below
Thank you very much, Grayson. A few corrections here below:

Seance on a Wet Afternoon (1964)
200623-232401-376000


Zlocin v dívcí skole (1966)
(uncredited)
200623-234447-694000


Journey to Jerusalem (1968)
200624-011647-441000


P.S. May you please adjust the newly created name profile Choir, Tel Aviv Philharmonic so that it be stored correctly as Tel Aviv Philharmonic Choir?

Svatej z Krejcárku (1970)
(uncredited)
200624-014236-748000


The Music Lovers (1971)
(uncredited)
200624-020526-637000


Blutjunge Verführerinnen 3. Teil (1972)
(uncredited)
200624-025026-570000
I won't post the link to the full movie because this erotic film is hosted on a porn website, but it is easily findable by Google. As a proof that I checked the credits, here is the complete cast list:


El abuelo tiene un plan (1973)
(uncredited)
200624-031801-553000


Female Trouble (1974)
(uncredited)
200624-040431-877000

P.S. Since currently there's no (uncredited) attribute shown next to Mendelssohn's entry for this film, I opened the update form in order to add it. To my surprise, the attribute is already there...

...so this is a displaying problem that should be investigated by the technical team, that is, an uncredited participation on a credited song is listed on the name page as if such participation was acknowledged (i.e. "not-uncredited") on screen.

Dzieje grzechu (1975)
200624-082602-651000



"The Waltons" (1971) {The Best Christmas (#5.12)}
(uncredited)
200624-085923-002000


Simon (1980)
200624-100417-375000
I don't have access to the on-screen credits of this title but, for the time being, I've deleted the unneeded attribute. I guess this attribute wasn't automatically removed after the name change because of its bad formatting (bracket at the end instead of parenthesis).

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Monanieba (1984)
May anybody (who can speak/read Georgian ) help with this one?


The First Deadly Sin (1980)
(uncredited)
200624-113810-520000


Off Beat (1986)
200624-123247-143000



Headin' Home for the Holidays (1986) (TV)
(uncredited)
200624-172112-692000


The Hanoi Hilton (1987)
(uncredited)
200624-184023-089000

Same displaying problem as in Female Trouble (1974).

A Month in the Country (1987)
(uncredited)
200624-191104-192000


Sparky's Magic Piano (1987) (V)
(uncredited)
200624-194419-108000

This is a difficult one because none of the songs is listed in the on-screen credits, but most of them are named by the main character before playing them in the piano. This is not a documentary nor a talk show, so I presume that the "identified either by a caption or spoken name" rule shouldn't be applied. Therefore, they're technically uncredited.

"Moonlighting" (1985) {Maddie Hayes Got Married (#4.12)}
(uncredited)
200624-205706-604000


"Magnum, P.I." (1980) {Pleasure Principle (#8.2)} & {Resolutions: Part II (#8.13)}
(uncredited)
200625-061030-343000 & 200625-065844-889000



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Madame Sousatzka (1988)
200625-183455-731000



Täcknamn Coq Rouge (1989)
(uncredited)
200625-191444-264000


Stuff Stephanie in the Incinerator (1989)
200625-192910-521000
Same as with Simon before, I've just deleted the unneeded (as...). This time I don't know why it wasn't removed automatically though...


All I Want for Christmas (1991)
(uncredited)
200625-202326-600000


Leisure Suit Larry 1: In the Land of the Lounge Lizards (1991) (VG)
(uncredited)
200625-204159-844000


Life with Mikey (1993)
(uncredited)
200625-212948-815000


The Age of Innocence (1993)
200625-220159-169000


Franz Kafka's It's a Wonderful Life (1993)
(uncredited)
200626-090748-216000



"Mystery Science Theater 3000" (1988) {Teen-Age Crime Wave (#6.22)}
(uncredited)
200626-092319-439000


How to Make an American Quilt (1995)
200626-104644-062000


Gloria in excelsis Deo - Der Thomanerchor singt Weihnachtslieder (1995) (TV)
200626-110944-145000



Kolja (1996)
200626-115256-458000


That Thing You Do! (1996)
(uncredited)
200626-123611-492000


Tom Thumb Meets Thumbelina (1996) (V)
(uncredited)
200627-031125-403000


Picture Perfect (1997)
200627-100100-253000


Below Utopia (1997)
(uncredited)
200627-110748-557000


Flubber (1997)
200627-190020-795000