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Thursday, April 5th, 2018 6:21 PM

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Change IMDB Release Date Rules?

Currently, IMDB counts film festivals as Release Dates but perhaps Release dates should be classified based on "when movies are released to the general public on a wide scale, ex: Theaters, Online Platforms (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu)". 

I had a film show at a small film festival in 2014.  Since then we reshot 1/3 new content and completely re-edited the film.  We are now seeking to get a distribution deal for 2018, but showing film to a couple hundred people is limiting our ability to strike deals since it seems like much older content on IMDB.

Thoughts?

(Also, i've attempted to make a poll, but I can't seem to figure it out)

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6 years ago

This should be in the data category. Other users can vote above to support your suggestion.

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6 years ago

I for one don't think you will get any traction on this as it would mean retrospectively changing all the release dates on every film in the database that were screened at film festivals and local cinemas etc. (Local cinemas not being a wide release.)

But good luck.

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6 years ago

I do not support the idea, and think that the actual rule is the most stable and clear, even though there can be no good universal solution.
The concept of a general release is subject to interpretation. I am no North American, but if a film get a limited release in major centers (say LA, NY and TO) then a Nationwide one, which date should account for a relevent one?
On the other hand, there are scores of movies which are presented to festival s but never get a proper theater release.
So all in all, the date of the first public show (film Premiere, festival, special screening, etc.) is the clearest "date of birth".

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6 years ago

I do not support the idea, and think that the actual rule is the most stable and clear, even though there can be no good universal solution.
The concept of a general release is subject to interpretation. I am no North American, but if a film get a limited release in major centers (say LA, NY and TO) then a Nationwide one, which date should account for a relevent one?
On the other hand, there are scores of movies which are presented to festival s but never get a proper theater release.
So all in all, the date of the first public show (film Premiere, festival, special screening, etc.) is the clearest "date of birth".

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6 years ago

For us, the screening at the Festival was closer to a test screening.  It was incredibly small, we took notes and as I stated, we shot tons of extra scenes, rewrote the movie, and completely re-edited the movie since then.

They don't count test screenings as a Release date.  Even though we showed the film at a festival, we always had the intention of continually evolving the film.  If we had known this Release Date was going to stick, we would not have screened it.

For me, this is a major reason to not submit to film festivals.

My point is to address those Questions Vincent.  To more clearly define what a release date is.  How many theaters makes it a "General Release" and what does not?

What that should be, is what i'd like to discuss.

What I do know is that showing in one theater, with only 3 showings, in my opinion, should not be considered a "General Release".

As far as the question of Limited release to reference, in most cases, these are part of a distribution plan.  There are small releases leading up to the major release.  So in that sense, it does make sense.

At the very least, there should be an avenue to contest the Release Date to IMDB.

Right now, We posted to IMDB that we did this tiny test screening and their was response was,  The current rules don't allow us to do anything.  Which is fair.  But it's a little hard to hear when we are saying, "This shouldn't be listed as our release date.  And it's hurting our film." and the response is, "We can't even talk about it"

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Sam, thanks for your view.
The most important thing to realize is that we do not share the same standpoint. You are a (US) creator, and you want to market your film and optimize its awareness.

On my side, I am a European movie buff, only interested in information and data management around movies. You are raising good questions but the way to build up arguments to come to a personal advice is completely different and unlikely to reach the same position.

I consider IMDb as a universal data repository of audiovisual program from all around the world (this is the way it was designed initially and I will struggle hard to having it kept that way!). On a rational and historical point of view, the first public showing seems to be the best birth date, as explained in my previous post. Whereas the questions you raise are good ones, but with no good answers, to my opinion.

On your side, you consider it as a promotion tool for your movie on the American market. But this is only one market (and not the biggest in the world btw, have a look at India!) for a small share of the World production. I do object that the US industry imposes some restrictions on the database use (such as WGA imposing display formatting of writers). That is not fair at all for the rest of the World production.

So you see that there is little chance we can come on a agreement with such different standpoint! Nevertheless, I hope your film will meet its public and success :)