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Thursday, September 12th, 2024 12:34 AM

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Cast addition submissions repeatedly declined (incorrectly)

I have been attempting to add Anneka Needham to the Cast of Deadpool & Wolverine for several weeks, where she should be listed as "TVA Analyst" with the "(uncredited)" attribute.

Anneka herself has published numerous statements and behind the scenes photos taken by her and other cast members many places online, such as these two posts:

  1. https://www.instagram.com/annekaneedham/p/C-YWjS1IVPb/
  2. https://www.tiktok.com/@annekaneedham/photo/7400496520295927072

You can even see screenshots from the movie on her IMDB page...

My contributions (listed below) have been "declined" as "duplicates", which makes no sense as they have been submitted over the course of 21 days and the actor is still not listed on the Cast page despite her involvement being well known in the 47 days since the film's release.

  • #240911-234218-556000 (9/11/2024)
  • #240824-200030-749000 (8/24/2024)
  • #240822-051658-903000 (8/22/2024)
  • #240821-083121-703000 (8/21/2024)

On the submission form, there is a nonsensical warning stating that she does not have any existing credits in this section, yet she is in that section and therefore can't be added..? I'm guessing this is the source of the "duplicate" errors, but she is not listed on the page so it needs to be resolved.



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She has already been added, but since it is uncredited it won't be displayed until she has credited work.

You are right that the warning above is contradictory, but it isn't the source of the "duplicate" error. Apparently the form doesn't really recognize that she has already been added to the cast. It would of course be helpful if the form could include the explanation of why the credit isn't displayed.

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Hi @ChrisMyers

@Peter_pbn is correct, the credit has been added but won't be listed until she has received at least one credited credit. Please see our the FAQ in our Help article for more information on this:

  • All credits on the page are 'uncredited' - Our display logic requires at least one fully credited listing on a name page before anything will show. This means if a page has only uncredited listings it will appear empty, even if your addition has been approved. Once a fully credit position is added to the page, all (uncredited) data will also appear.You can learn more about "uncredited" in our article What does uncredited mean?

I will forward on the feedback about the form not disclosing this display logic to the appropriate team for review.

I hope this helps!

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@Ozzy​ Thank you both for explaining, and thank you for forwarding my feedback.

I was not aware of that rule, which is quite bit counter-intuitive so I didn't even consider it a possibility.

If you can, please also forward my feedback that I believe that rule should be reviewed for its purpose, usefulness, and impact.

(edit: Which I can make a separate post about if you'd like, but I see this is still in the "Policy" forum section since that's combined with "Data Issues")

It can be incredibly difficult for actors to break into this industry, and it is a very common practice for someone's first several roles to be as background, which are almost always uncredited unless they have a speaking role.

I understand that having additional background actors displayed on cast pages may be seen as "clutter", but they are only ever going to be shown on the "Full Cast & Crew" pages which are meant to be comprehensive, not short for no reason.

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Additionally, I am unable to find any logical reason for this rule to be in place on the Actor's personal filmography pages. That in particular seems unnecessarily harmful and cruel.

That means that the Actors already have their own page and their uncredited roles are being tracked by IMDB, but IMDB has arbitrarily decided they as people are not worth having their own work be confirmed until they get "better" work, at which point they will get credit for their "lesser" work.

There is zero benefit to IMDb for that policy (except maybe preventing confusion with their conjoined policy of hiding these credits on the cast pages), and in fact IMDb is spending extra computational and database energy tracking whether actors have a credit and hiding their work if so.

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Common for big and small actors, but here's a sample of bigger actors whose first few roles were all uncredited, for example:

Bruce Willis • Leonardo DiCaprio • Arnold Schwarzenegger • Brad Pitt • Channing Tatum • Sylvester Stallone • Ben Affleck • Jeff Goldblum • Matt Damon • George Clooney • Heath Ledger • Jackie Chan • Charlize Theron • Michael B. Jordan • Willem Dafoe • Clint Eastwood • Megan Fox • Kristen Stewart • Evangeline Lilly • Regé-Jean Page • Jean-Claude Van Damme • Renée Zellweger • Daniel Day-Lewis • Marilyn Monroe • Adam Brody • Cuba Gooding Jr. • David Bowie • Phil Collins • Michael Biehn • John Wayne • Sofia Coppola • James Dean • Clark Gable

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Hi @ChrisMyers,

The "uncredited" credit criteria highlighted above is and has been our longstanding policy concerning credit display logic. However, we appreciate your feedback, which I have forwarded onto the policy team for review. 

Thank you for your understanding.