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Wednesday, September 18th, 2024 4:03 AM

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Award years: the Retro Hugo Awards

As correctly explained at https://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000335/overview/, the Hugo Awards are given for achievements in the science fiction genre -- "(best novel, best fanzine etc.)". The Hugos also include awards for Best Dramatic Presentation (including primarily movies and television), and the Best Dramatic Presentation award categories ("BDPs") are listed in IMDb.

However, occasionally there have been Hugo Awards voted on retrospectively, known as the Retro Hugo Awards. (See https://www.wsfs.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/WSFS-Constitution-as-of-October-23_2023B.pdf, page 12, section 3.14, where the World Science Fiction Society Constitution authorizes the Retro Hugos.) These awards are given for achievements in years when no Hugo Awards were previously given (either because the Hugos did not yet exist, or because of one early year they skipped).

The Retro Hugos have always been given 50 or 75 years later, and since, like many awards, the Hugos are given for achievements in the preceding year, the Retro Hugos have been given 51 or 76 years after the corresponding works were published/released.

Here is a list of the Retro Hugo years as listed on IMDb, the years when the relevant films (etc.) were released, and the years when the Retro Hugos were actually awarded.

All the other Hugo Awards listed at https://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000335/overview/ were given contemporaneously. 

So my questions are:

  • Should the Retro Hugos be broken out on IMDb as a separate awards event from the main Hugo Awards ...
  • and should they be identified by IMDb with the year they were awarded, as is the standard policy for awards? 

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A couple of other notes: The IMDb page for the 1953 Hugo Awards is blank because in that first year of the awards, there were no categories related to movies or television (see https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/1953-hugo-awards/). That page should probably be deleted. Similarly, there are no pages for the 1955, 1956, or 1957 Hugo Awards on IMDb because in those years there were no categories related to movies or television, either.

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20 days ago

Hi @gromit82 -

We do not think separating the Retro Hugo Awards into a new event is necessary because this awards are in a way within the same event. However and per our policies, the awards should be identified with the year they were awarded.

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Bethanny: That's fine with me, but please note:

  • Since the Category names are the same between the Hugos and the Retro Hugos, they should be distinguished by putting "Retro Hugo" as the Award name for the Retro Hugos, rather than just "Hugo" as it is now. Compare https://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000335/1941/1/ (1941 Retro Hugos, awarded in 2016) with https://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000335/2016/1/ (2016 Hugos). We don't want to wind up in a situation where it looks like Fantasia and The Martian tied for the same award in the same category, when in fact one won the Retro Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation - Long Form and the other won the Hugo for that category.
  • How should we get the Retro Hugos moved to the appropriate year as you suggested? Deleting and re-submitting all the nominees would be tedious; I suspect that the IMDb staff may be able to accomplish this more efficiently.

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@gromit82​ We are working on the changes, will let you know once they are done.

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Bethanny: Thanks!

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@gromit82​ All fixed!

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Bethanny: Thanks for cleaning up the data. I have just one more request for now. 

Can the blank page at https://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000335/1953/1/ for the 1953 Hugo Awards be deleted? As indicated at https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/1953-hugo-awards/, of the Hugo Awards given in 1953, none were in any categories that are relevant to IMDb; the Best Dramatic Presentation categories had not yet been established.

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Hi @gromit82​ -

I have a ticket open (#P160280724) for the team to review the event year and removal request.  As soon as there is an update we will let you know here.

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Hi @gromit82​ -

Just following up again to confirm that the empty event years have now been removed.  Cheers!