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Arlene Martell/ Martin

Arlene Martel (nm0551458) 

(alternate names: Arline Martel | Tasha Martel | Arlene
Martell | Natasha Martell | Tasha Martell | Arlene
Martell Martin | Arlene Sax | Arline Sax | Arlene
Saxe

Arlene Martin (nm5738931) 

(alternate name: Arlene Martell)


I was wondering these two entries could/ should be merged. 


Both have the same alternate name - Arlene Martell.


The first person has one credit with the attribute ‘as Arlene Martell Martin’.

The second person has three credits with the attribute ‘as Arlene Martell’.

 

The first person has two credits that are music-related – one as a vocal coach and one as a performer of two Soundtrack songs.

The second person only has four credits, all of which are music-related and all involve singing.


The career year range fits.


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Joel

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6 years ago

Hi Graham,

Thanks for your message.

I've reviewed these pages now and agree they should be merged together - I've done so for you now, please allow up to 24 for this to reflect on all platforms.

Thanks,

Joel

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graham_8cppzc6w1ujrf

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Joel, 

I have been receiving irate messages about this from 'Brian Hamilton'. You may like to read the messages and perhaps contact him for further explanations.

5 years ago

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You're damn right they're "irate"
Because of your irresponsible meddling, when Arlene died, scores of newspapers and media unwittingly promulgated erroneous information, across the world wide web in countries all over the world - which I and her children could not correct. That misinformation is now in printed books and biographies, and cannot be corrected.

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So you're the one who created this mess??

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5 years ago

I have been trying to get this UNDONE for several years now. 
Those THREE credit belong to Arlene Martell Martin, a SINGER. The TV/film ACTRESS Arlene Martel (aka Arlene Sax, Tasha Martel) was NOT a singer at all. She was a close friend of mine for 25+ years, until her death. Arlene would occasionally get the singer's residual checks mailed to her by mistake. 

The following three credits DO NOT belong to Arlene Martel, the actress. 

A Walk to Remember (2002)
Everyone Says I Love You (1996)
The Life & Adventures of Santa Claus (1985) (TV)

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The credits were correct for several years UNTIL someone ASSumed that the credits belonged to one person, and without one iota of proof, IMDB merged the credits. NOW when I attempt to CORRECT it, I am told this:

Reason Unable to verify.
Your contribution has been declined.We have been unable to verify your contribution. Unfortunately we were unable to accept your submission as we were unable to verify the information provided

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I did not create the mess.  

I did not "ASSume" anything.
NB: Resorting to personal attacks does not encourage reasoned discussion.

I noticed what I thought was an anomaly and asked a question. I could have just merged the names without consultation.

Someone else responded and then acted upon my question.

If IMDB merged "without one iota of proof", perhaps you need to provide two iotas of proof to reverse the process. 

This was done a year ago. It's taken you a while to notice. 


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Resorting to personal attacks does not encourage reasoned discussion, nor a co-operative mindset.

As I did not make any changes, I have nothing to undo.

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RE: "This was done a year ago. It's taken you a while to notice. "

I submitted well over dozen corrections through the IMDB panel, as far back as 2005, all of which are still there in record, attempting to fix this. I just found this bulletin board TODAY via a Google search.

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If IMDB merged "without one iota of proof", perhaps you need to provide two iotas of proof to reverse the process
Graham:
It is reasonable to ask for verification / proof /  evidence that an actor DOES APPEAR in something (like a screenshot, cast photo, call-sheet, contract, payroll statement, etc. to grant a request to add info to an existing profile.

However, you tell me: HOW does one prove that an actor DOES NOT APPEAR in  something? To prove that a certain actor did not appear in Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad, someone would literally have to watch the entire series to certify that said actor is NOT there.

Now, in this case, of Arlene Martel's credits, NO PROOF that she appeared in those films was provided by the individuals who made the changes to her profile. The burden is upon them.

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If IMDB merged "without one iota of proof", perhaps you need to provide two iotas of proof to reverse the process
Graham:
It is reasonable to ask for verification / proof /  evidence that an actor DOES APPEAR in something (like a screenshot, cast photo, call-sheet, contract, payroll statement, etc. to grant a request to add info to an existing profile.

However, you tell me: HOW does one prove that an actor DOES NOT APPEAR in  something? To prove that a certain actor did not appear in Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad, someone would literally have to watch the entire series to certify that said actor is NOT there.

Now, in this case, of Arlene Martel's credits, NO PROOF that she appeared in those films was provided by the individuals who made the changes to her profile. The burden is upon them.

5 years ago

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I don't have the callsheets for those shows, because Arlene never worked on those three films. I do have proof that I knew Arlene for decades and can verify almost ANYthing about her career.

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I am also on the Los Angeles board of directors of SAG-AFTRA, I will be bringing up the issue for discussion at the next opportunity. There should NOT be so much difficulty involved to CORRECT information on this IMDB. I even tried to rectify this when a IMDBPro subscriber. I am no longer.

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the top photobooth picture was taken in 1990; the middle one (on the camera crane) about 1996.


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This has been going on for FOURTEEN YEARS

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jeorj_euler

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Looks like Joel has got some explaining to do.

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Arlene Martel is NOT the same person as Arlene Martell Martin.

Joel: Kindly review the plethora of recent messages in this post, which should be re-activated. It is certainly not solved. https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/arlene-martell-martin

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Michelle

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5 years ago

Hi Brian -

It seems this name merge was made incorrectly, which unfortunately, can sometimes happen when there are individuals who are credited or have worked under similar names (in this instance "Arlene Martel/Arlene Martell").

Are the only credits that need to be moved the following three you previously mentioned, or are there others that belong to the other Arlene Martin?

A Walk to Remember (2002)
Everyone Says I Love You (1996)
The Life & Adventures of Santa Claus (1985) (TV)

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Thank you, Michelle. I just scanned the entire page for any other credits which don't belong to Arlene Martel, and those are the only three projects in which she definitely did not appear. She did not sing; and credits with the name Martin are not hers


Arlene was born Arline Greta Sax. She worked as Arlene Sax; later changed her professional name to Arlene Martel, (one L or two) then created confusion by used her nick-name Tasha (and Natasha once) a few times.

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Now, I have a question for you. Why is someone, such as Graham in this case, able to change something as he wishes without proof and in a speedy fashion... as he states above ...

I noticed what I thought was an anomaly and asked a question. I could have just merged the names without consultation.
Yet I was run through the paces, as nauseum, to no avail - FOR YEARS going back and forth trying to rectify this snafu?

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IMDb has long ago been purchased by AMAZON. it's not a mom & pop blog anymore. Media professionals go to it for the TRUTH and FACTS about people in show business. It is irresponsible to allow what happened here.

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I can show you screen shots of the records of how many times I submitted changes to Arlene's info, only to have it reverted some time later with no explanation by who knows who.. WHY? (although hers is not the only one, it is by far the most frustrating and egregious), Errors have lasting repercussions, as I explained.

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So, Michelle: Why was I told to provide proof that Arlene wasn't in the projects (which, as i described above is unreasonable, if not near impossible -- after someone repeatedly ADDED the erroneous info WITHOUT proof?

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* ad nauseum

My apologies. I'm  a terrible typist

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Thanks Ed. I would like the questions I asked to be answered publicly, and be part of the public record.

Michelle, I request that you kindly respond to my questions, or delegate this request to another person who can.
Thank you.

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Thanks Ed. I would like the questions I asked to be answered publicly, and be part of the public record.

Michelle, I request that you kindly respond to my questions, or delegate this request to another person who can.
Thank you.

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I as well as you and staff know what you are attempting to do here.


I am certainly glad that you do know, Ed Jones (XLIX) -- that I'm looking for accountability and accuracy and professional service, none of which seem to be easily achieved here, as you state that answers to my questions posted here are "unlikely to happen. "?

Now, I'm a bit confused: it's difficult to tell who among the respondents here are paid staff of IMDb / Amazon? and who are volunteer keyboard warriors, obsessively editing info to which they have no professional connection. Graham behaves like the latter.

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On the forum, the IMDb Employees have a badge-like symbol to the left of their screen names in the shape of the end of forked-tip bookmark. IMDb Champions have a trophy chalice symbol to the left of theirs screen names.

— Jeorj Euler, an IMDb regular registrant

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Well, with this being documented publicly on this forum, it might be easier to prevent the merging of these two name pages from happening again.

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5 years ago

It is pleasing to see that the issue seems to be resolved.

However, I am disappointed to have been the target of abuse for doing nothing more than posing a suggestion. 
I was wondering whether these two entries could/ should be merged.

Apparently, I am 
  • an ASS - 'someone ASSumed (sic)  that the credits belonged to one person...'
  • an irresponsible meddler -  'Because of your irresponsible meddling ... '
  • arrogant - 'You and your arrogance fcuked (sic) up everything ...'
  • over-confident in my own abilities  - 'A keyboard warrior know-it-all'.
Whilst understanding Mr Hamilton's concerns, I feel that he could have approached this issue in a calmer manner without resorting to personal attacks. 


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Excuse me? I have not emailed this man -- nor had any correspondence with anyone outside of what is publicly visible here.

Graham, if you can't take criticism, that's just unfortunate. Poor you.

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Apparently, Graham, you either fail to see, or intentionally obfuscate, the damage that your carelessness and inaccuracy (as a result of irresponsible meddling) has caused. It is but one of many other instances on sites like this IMDb. This affects real people, and real lives, Graham, not characters you see at the movies and on TV. What you and others are doing here has a great impact -- you ought to take this quite seriously.

There is already an active lawsuit involving IMDb / Amazon privacy violations by IMDb which has moved on to the 9th Circuit here in California. 

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Michelle "Official Rep": I trust that you've been following all of this closely.

I thought that Graham should have been suspended for what he has caused. Which he is not. Thanks


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"Now, I'm a bit confused: it's difficult to tell who among the respondents here are paid staff of IMDb / Amazon? and who are volunteer keyboard warriors, obsessively editing info to which they have no professional connection. Graham behaves like the latter."
I remind you that I did not edit the information. 



On the basis of one question I posed to the "Get Satisfaction' board, you have determined my character as "arrogant" and my behaviour as "obsessive" and "careless".

I can take criticism and am happy to learn from my errors. However, I do not equate name-calling with constructive criticism. 

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