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Another keyword to be merged and redirected

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A piano player and a pianist are two different things to me.  Anyone can be a piano player, but a pianist is someone of great talent, perhaps even (but certainly acknowledging) a professional musician.  It would also seemingly have to do with the kind or type of music that is being played.  For examples, Hoagy Carmichael, in The Best Years of Our Lives (1946), is a "piano-player," while Oscar Levant, in An American in Paris (1951), is a "pianist."

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@bradley_kent​ 

The literal definition is "a person who plays the piano" so they aren't two different things. There can be a keyword for "professional-pianist" but being a piano player means, by definition, you are a pianist.

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? ?

a pianist plays a piano

piano player may not be a pianist. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pianist

Not to be confused with a
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_piano

a self-playing piano,

https://www.imdb.com/find?s=kw&q=Player+piano

Keywords
player-piano                             (100 titles)
player-piano-in-saloon            (     1 title)
piano-player                            (628 titles)
female-piano-player                (   9 titles)
saloon-piano-player                (   4 titles)
piano-player-shot                    (   2 titles)
shoot-the-piano-player           (   2 titles)
black-piano-player                  (   1 title)
tipping-a-piano-player            (   1 title)
whore-house-piano-player     (   1 title)
classical-piano-player             (   1 title)
posing-as-a-piano-player       (   1 title)
nightclub-piano-player           (   1 title)
hunchback-piano-player         (   1 title)
toddler-playing-piano             (   1 title)
conversation-with-character-playing-piano (   9 titles)

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2 m ago

Google search:


What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?

http://forum.pianoworld.com › ubbthreads.php › topics
Jul 6, 2007 — ' pianist' is more refered to the profession in piano, while ' piano player' is more general term for anyone who can play piano, good or bad or ...

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Technically the dictionary defines these two terms in the same way, at least partly. Here is the definition of "pianist":

pi·an·ist, n.
a person who plays the piano, esp. one who performs expertly or professionally.
[1830–40; < F pianiste < It pianista. See PIANO1, -IST]

Given that definition, plus the fact that IMDb contributors are probably not using these two keywords with any distinctions in mind, I would be fine with merging these two keywords. But I don't feel strongly about it either way.

piano-player (628 titles) -->  pianist (1594 titles)

Interestingly, there are currently 88 titles that use both of these keywords. That is a good indicator of the likely very strong overlap between the keywords.

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@ACT_1​ You do have a point there. I can also think of "guitar-player"/"guitarist" and "bass-player"/"bassist" and "saxophone-player"/"saxophonist".

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One is amateur, the other is professional.  There is a difference.

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@bradley_kent​ 

No. Literally there isn't. But, keep on believing I guess.

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Yes, literally, there is.  Mary Astor, in Meet Me in St. Louis (1944), is a female-piano-player, while Mary Astor, in The Great Lie (1941),  is a female-pianist.  All pianists are piano players, but not all piano players are pianists.

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@bradley_kent​ You are ignoring the dictionary definition and replacing it with your own personal opinion. 

I will paste that definition again below.

pi·an·ist, n.
a person who plays the piano, esp. one who performs expertly or professionally.
[1830–40; < F pianiste < It pianista. See PIANO1, -IST]

Note the inclusion of the abbreviated "esp." That is short for "especially." 

The dictionary definition shows that most but not all pianists are expert or professional piano players.  The corollary is that some pianists are neither expert nor professional players.

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2 m ago

Hi Adrian & All -

Thanks for all the comments.  I see there are some contradicting thoughts, however, by general universal definition 'piano player' and 'pianist' are one and the same, as such I have now combined these keywords.

Cheers!

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This is a ridiculous decision, and you have lost me.  A piano player is someone (anyone) who plays the piano, while a pianist is someone who plays the piano "expertly or professionally."  Your failure to make such delineations makes me question IMDb's intelligence.  After so many, many years of contributing, and being a top contributor, I am on the verge of stopping my participation.

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2 m ago

More merging and redirecting that just sends a specific topic into oblivion.

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