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Thursday, January 18th, 2024 9:05 PM

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Another green bottle fell from the wall...

I was investigating the claim of a person who requested the deletion of his page and the two credits on it.

Not surprisingly, the claim was not correct...



P.S. Sadly (I knew it'd happen sooner or later...), once again I have encountered the infamous red warning when I tried to add truthful and factual information to what is supposed to be the most complete and reliable source of movie, TV, and entertainment information on the web, this time in the Cast section.

Since the previous post on this subject has been closed, I say here that I am adding "Cast" to the list of sections to which I no longer contribute...

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6 months ago

"I say here that I am adding "Cast" to the list of sections to which I no longer contribute..."

I fully understand. It's a pity IMDb has chosen so clearly for the people in the showbiz and with that - because this group is interested primarily in their own interest and not in the database as such - against the contributors/(customers of the) database. It's a weird and rather unwise position they've put themselves in. They seem to think they can chose for both the people in the biz as well as the contributors/customers, but I think they are sorely mistaken because both groups have the exact opposite wishes for IMDb....

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6 months ago

Hello ljdoncel,

I have look for the credits removed and could find them listed and live under Andrew Teplitz (III), the provided page did not have the credits you are referring to. 

Also, I have done the changes in your behalf on the credit, the changes will be live on the site shortly! Is there anything we are missing to cover? if there is, please let me know, so I can take a look for you. 

Cheers!

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3 months ago

Unfortunately, I have to add a third item to the list of departments to which, as of today, I am no longer contributing: Second Unit Directors or Assistant Directors.

I know it's not much, but it's the only way I can protest this nonsense.... ("Stacey" vs "Stacey N." --- really?)

Unsubmitted contributions since September 2023

Cast: 11 additions, 266 corrections, ? deletions.

Camera and electrical department: 514 additions, 747 corrections, ? deletions.
TOTAL: 1538+ credits.

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Yet another one...: Stunts.

There is something very sad going on when the actor's own Instagram or YouTube are more informative than "his" IMDb...

Unsubmitted contributions

[Since September 2023]: Camera and electrical: 717 additions, 872 corrections, ? deletions.

[Since January 2024]: Cast: 17 additions, 423 corrections, ? deletions.

[Since March 2024]: Second unit or assistant directors: 19 additions, 24 corrections, ? deletions.

[Since today]: Stunts: 2 additions, 72 corrections, ? deletions.

TOTAL: 2,146+ credits.

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@ljdoncel​ Understandable, I've had a "dry February" from January 20th-March 15th in which I submitted literally nothing. I can't promise there won't be more of those in the future, given some of the current policies.

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@ljdoncel​ 

You know that you will eventually hit this in every department, right? It's not a department problem but an overall change to the "as" attribute. We haven't really gotten an explanation of why in the cases highlighted that IMDb thinks this policy change is a good idea. I wonder if the people running these IMDbPro profiles even know what is going on.

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You know that you will eventually hit this in every department, right?

I do, Adrian, I do. I have thought, like Marco, about giving up completely. However, it is a difficult decision considering all the love and time I have dedicated for so many years. There will come a time when, indeed, the effort of auditing a film will not compensate me because the number of credits I will leave unsent will represent a significant percentage of the work.

I imagine that, at this rate, that day will come soon (for instance, I audited Below (2002) a couple days ago, and 19% of the edits remain unsubmitted; it would have risen up to 23% counting stunts -- you are well aware of all the time that it takes). Until then, I will have to continue reading with sorrow threads of users complaining about not being able to find in our beloved information that was available less than 2 years ago...

...and now it's at first hand only in TMDb or Letterboxd (something that I didn't think would ever happen)...

... because IMDb has gotten rid of it... even worse, now it shows incorrect data...

Yes, I'm sad, that's the word...

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@ljdoncel: Thanks for this very concrete example of other databases being more complete than IMDb thanks to this policy change.

I think there'll come a time when IMDb realizes this was a very bad idea. The question is how much data has gotten corrupted and how much contributors have left by that point....

That being said, at least for now, the monthly list of top contributors seems to suggest most (top) contributors don't care (too much) about this issue.

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14 days ago

Unsubmitted contributions

[Since September 2023]: Camera and electrical: 783 additions, 932 corrections, ? deletions.

[Since January 2024]: Cast: 64 additions, 549 corrections, ? deletions.

[Since March 2024]: Second unit or assistant directors: 22 additions, 35 corrections, ? deletions.

[Since May 2024]: Stunts: 5 additions, 101 corrections, ? deletions.

[Since today]: Editors: 1 correction.

TOTAL: 2,492+ credits.

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13 days ago

We often see posts here from the staff that say:

Our aim is to be the most complete and reliable source of movie, TV, and entertainment information on the web. In order to continue offering our users an accurate and trustworthy service, it is our policy not to alter or delete any kind of correct/factual information from our records.

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/i-need-to-take-down-my-imdb-page-and-data/66763bbae27ebb0c3f3ac6f9?commentId=6676ff4ee33e3b2f5ca3e1aa 

Can someone please explain how allowing Stacey N. Harding to hide the fact that she was once credited as "Stacey Harding", or David Charles Warren to hide the fact that he was once credited as "David Charles Warren III", is consistent with that? I suspect that both of those people, along with some of the other people who have used the function to suppress alternate names, misunderstood the name suppresssion function.

Clearly this (as a different name) suppression of alternate names has gone wrong and seems to be misused more often than it is used for an understandable purpose -- and either way, it would still be inconsistent with the policy "not to alter or delete any kind of correct/factual information".

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