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Actors with no credited character names
How should we list character names if only the actor's name appears onscreen with no character name?
This is a common occurence for old movies where the star actors' names appear only at the beginning, or for TV shows where the main cast appears in only the opening credits and the guest stars at the episode start after the credits.
The character might be called by various names in the movie or TV episode, or perhaps not even be named at all, though their name might be well known or mentioned in other installments or episodes.
The proper character name is especially a problem for regular cast members of a series whose character names never appear onscreen and who are addressed differently in different episodes. For instance, how should William Shatner's character be listed in Star Trek TOS? Captain James Tiberias Kirk? or just Capt. Kirk? or even Capt. James (Jim) Kirk? Somehow I doubt the character name would be listed differently for each episode depending on how he's addressed in each; there would likely be just one name for the entire series (unless they play a different role in an episode). What name then?





gromit82
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Mvybuf: The policy at https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/characters/GKLQVXKH7U8DATWX# says:
In my opinion, generally speaking, if you can identify a character by a common name that is no more than two words long, I would encourage that -- three words at most.
Currently, William Shatner's character on "Star Trek" is listed as "Captain James Tiberius 'Jim' Kirk", which certainly violates the guideline above, but it was probably entered into IMDb before the guideline was written. In fact, Kirk's full middle name "Tiberius" (as opposed to the initial "T.") was first used canonically on "Star Trek: The Animated Series", not on the original series.
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scgary66
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I think if they're not referred to/addressed by name in a given episode, you should go with the most commonly used form of their name from previous episodes. If they go by a longer form of their name in the episode, that can be entered - but only for that episode, not for all succeeding episodes.
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Mvybuf
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@Peter_pbn That's why I used Star Trek as an example. I notice that all the characters have inordinately long (more than full) names. Including Uhura which is used as an example in the guidelines. Her first name Nyota was not even conceived of except by fans in apocrypha, long after the series and films. Yet there it is, violating the guidelines. In TOS she was always credited in the closing credits simply as "Uhura".
The other characters were always listed as "Sulu" (not Mr. Sulu as he was sometimes addressed as, nor Lt. Sulu his proper title, and certainly not "Lieutenant Hikaru Sulu" the way it shows now, as his first name was also not even created until years later by fans), "Scott" (not even the more common Scotty, and not Montgomery Scott either, even though his first name was mentioned a few times), "Chekov" (not Pavel Chekov even though his first name was mentioned in one or two episodes - actually his middle name was given in one episode too, but that isn't included on IMDb I notice), and "Nurse Chapel", all without first names or titles (except for Chapel) or nicknames.
Kirk was never credited with a character name onscreen. By @gromit82's suggestion for 2 word names possibly 3, then Kirk should be listed by the most common name he's known even by non-Trekies (in popular culture): Captain Kirk.
The way it's listed here is "Captain James Tiberius 'Jim' Kirk/Samuel 'Sam' Kirk/Sargon" which is even more ridiculous since Shatner did not play a character named Sam Kirk nor Sargon. Those are just assumed identities made by the character (as part of the plot) in one episode. Shatner should not be listed as those two characters at all.
Actually James Doohan played Sargon, who appeared only as a disembodied voice; that was Doohan's voice. And Doohan's credit here is "Lieutenant Commander Montgomery 'Scotty' Scott/Voice of Sargon", the first part too long, but the second part should be "Sargon (voice)" shouldn't it? The character is more commonly known as Scotty (in popular culture), though since he was never credited onscreen that way, we would have to list it just as "Scott", and for that one episode "Scott/Sargon (voice)", as long as that attribute isn't seen as also applying to the Scott part (is that the way it should be done?)
Even Spock is not commonly known as Mr. Spock, though he was credited onscreen that way. Dr. McCoy wasn't credited onscreen until season 3, though he was more often addressed as Bones in the series, or even just McCoy. Would Kelley's character be listed as "McCoy" for the first 2 seasons then? And then as "Dr. McCoy" for season 3? (per @scgary66's suggestion).
If Shatner's character was listed here as Capt. Kirk 6 months ago, then somebody must have fixed it according to the guidelines and the suggestions here. For years it has been the way it is now, ridiculously long.
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gromit82
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I just want to link back to a prior discussion on this board about overly embellished names (specifically regarding the TV series "Benson" where the character names are still overly detailed):
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/need-help-with-190803032254297000/5f4a7a2b8815453dba9bd96b
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