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Actors with no credited character names

How should we list character names if only the actor's name appears onscreen with no character name?

This is a common occurence for old movies where the star actors' names appear only at the beginning, or for TV shows where the main cast appears in only the opening credits and the guest stars at the episode start after the credits.

The character might be called by various names in the movie or TV episode, or perhaps not even be named at all, though their name might be well known or mentioned in other installments or episodes.

The proper character name is especially a problem for regular cast members of a series whose character names never appear onscreen and who are addressed differently in different episodes. For instance, how should William Shatner's character be listed in Star Trek TOS? Captain James Tiberias Kirk? or just Capt. Kirk? or even Capt. James (Jim) Kirk? Somehow I doubt the character name would be listed differently for each episode depending on how he's addressed in each; there would likely be just one name for the entire series (unless they play a different role in an episode). What name then?

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Mvybuf: The policy at https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/characters/GKLQVXKH7U8DATWX# says:

Names are usually enough, and the character name shouldn't be descriptive, unless absolutely necessary to identify the actor (i.e., if a role doesn't have a name, someone may be identified as "Man in Van" or "Woman with Umbrella").

Avoid extra embellishments/repetitions/nicknames unless they are part of the credited character name: it's enough to list Robert Patrick as John Doggett in the "X-Files" TV series, instead of "Special Agent Jonathan Jay 'John' Doggett"; Jeri Ryan played Seven of Nine on "Star Trek: Voyager", not "Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix 01, aka Annika Hansen"; Edward Norton played Will Graham in Red Dragon, not "William Graham" or "Special Agent Graham" or "FBI Special Agent William 'Will' Graham"; Matt LeBlanc plays Joey Tribbiani in "Friends", not "Joseph 'Joey' Francis Tribbiani". You get the idea.

In my opinion, generally speaking, if you can identify a character by a common name that is no more than two words long, I would encourage that -- three words at most. 

Currently, William Shatner's character on "Star Trek" is listed as "Captain James Tiberius 'Jim' Kirk", which certainly violates the guideline above, but it was probably entered into IMDb before the guideline was written. In fact, Kirk's full middle name "Tiberius" (as opposed to the initial "T.") was first used canonically on "Star Trek: The Animated Series", not on the original series.

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@gromit82​ 

Currently, William Shatner's character on "Star Trek" is listed as "Captain James Tiberius 'Jim' Kirk", which certainly violates the guideline above, but it was probably entered into IMDb before the guideline was written.

Six months ago it was "Capt. Kirk".

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I think if they're not referred to/addressed by name in a given episode, you should go with the most commonly used form of their name from previous episodes. If they go by a longer form of their name in the episode, that can be entered - but only for that episode, not for all succeeding episodes.

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@scgary66​ The problem occurs with many TV series, where the regulars have their real names in the credits but their character names are not given in the credits of any episode. And in some cases, the character may have a full name, including a middle name and nickname, established in the dialogue over the course of the series, yet that doesn't mean that all of that is supposed to go into their IMDb character name. Otherwise we wind up with "Joseph 'Joey' Francis Tribbiani" instead of "Joey Tribbiani".

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@gromit82​ Actually, I don't have a problem with listing "Joseph Francis 'Joey' Tribbiani", as long as it's only for the episode in which the full name is given; it's useful when someone wants to find the episode where the full name is indicated. I did the same with Hal Linden's credit on "Barney Miller" Hunger Strike.

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@Peter_pbn That's why I used Star Trek as an example. I notice that all the characters have inordinately long (more than full) names. Including Uhura which is used as an example in the guidelines. Her first name Nyota was not even conceived of except by fans in apocrypha, long after the series and films. Yet there it is, violating the guidelines. In TOS she was always credited in the closing credits simply as "Uhura".

The other characters were always listed as "Sulu" (not Mr. Sulu as he was sometimes addressed as, nor Lt. Sulu his proper title, and certainly not "Lieutenant Hikaru Sulu" the way it shows now, as his first name was also not even created until years later by fans), "Scott" (not even the more common Scotty, and not Montgomery Scott either, even though his first name was mentioned a few times), "Chekov" (not Pavel Chekov even though his first name was mentioned in one or two episodes - actually his middle name was given in one episode too, but that isn't included on IMDb I notice), and "Nurse Chapel", all without first names or titles (except for Chapel) or nicknames.

Kirk was never credited with a character name onscreen. By @gromit82's suggestion for 2 word names possibly 3, then Kirk should be listed by the most common name he's known even by non-Trekies (in popular culture): Captain Kirk.

The way it's listed here is "Captain James Tiberius 'Jim' Kirk/Samuel 'Sam' Kirk/Sargon" which is even more ridiculous since Shatner did not play a character named Sam Kirk nor Sargon. Those are just assumed identities made by the character (as part of the plot) in one episode. Shatner should not be listed as those two characters at all.

Actually James Doohan played Sargon, who appeared only as a disembodied voice; that was Doohan's voice. And Doohan's credit here is "Lieutenant Commander Montgomery 'Scotty' Scott/Voice of Sargon", the first part too long, but the second part should be "Sargon (voice)" shouldn't it? The character is more commonly known as Scotty (in popular culture), though since he was never credited onscreen that way, we would have to list it just as "Scott", and for that one episode "Scott/Sargon (voice)", as long as that attribute isn't seen as also applying to the Scott part (is that the way it should be done?)

Even Spock is not commonly known as Mr. Spock, though he was credited onscreen that way. Dr. McCoy wasn't credited onscreen until season 3, though he was more often addressed as Bones in the series, or even just McCoy. Would Kelley's character be listed as "McCoy" for the first 2 seasons then? And then as "Dr. McCoy" for season 3? (per @scgary66's suggestion).

If Shatner's character was listed here as Capt. Kirk 6 months ago, then somebody must have fixed it according to the guidelines and the suggestions here. For years it has been the way it is now, ridiculously long.

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@Mvybuf​ Actually, I'd list Kelley as Dr. McCoy from the beginning, as it's always clear he's the ship's doctor. Referring to characters such as Spock and Sulu as "Mr." certainly seems to derive from military usage (unless I'm mistaken, only Kirk - a senior commissioned officer - referred to them in that way). As for first names, I'd include them as a matter of course once they're established. I'd generally choose between a given name and a more commonly used nickname, unless both are used in the episode. (Again, I think only Kirk called McCoy "Bones", so I'd avoid that unless it's used in the episode; Leonard can be used once it's established as his first name.)

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@scgary66​ Using a fuller character name, like adding a first name or even a title like Mr, when they're credited onscreen in every episode only as their last name, would clearly violate IMDb guidelines. Almost all the "regular" character names for every Star Trek TOS episode on IMDb are in violation.

The only exceptions are "Mr. Spock", because that is the credit onscreen and Capt. Kirk who has no credit. I was wrong about Dr. McCoy; I wasn't thinking clearly. He is credited onscreen in every season: in the closing credits in season 1 and in the opening credits in seasons 2 & 3. In all cases as "Dr. McCoy".

So aside from the wrong entries for the "full" names that need to be changed in every ST:TOS episode individually (what a hassle), Kirk's elaborate name needs to be changed to "Capt. Kirk" for every episode as well.

The idea for uncredited character names, of using the most common moniker in a TV or movie series, taking into account "popular" usage, or the most common usage in a single movie, and keeping to 2 words (3 in only rare cases), I agree should be the de facto rule (notwithstanding its lack in IMDb's guidelines).

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I just want to link back to a prior discussion on this board about overly embellished names (specifically regarding the TV series "Benson" where the character names are still overly detailed):

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/need-help-with-190803032254297000/5f4a7a2b8815453dba9bd96b

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@gromit82​ Interesting that you should mention Benson. While the original poster of that August 2019 thread or perhaps the original poster of the thread a couple weeks before that (you quoted a link to it there) did manage to correct Denise's last name in those earlier episodes before she got married, the listings for Benson are still not in compliance with IMDb policy, including Denise!

On IMDb the other Benson characters, like Star Trek TOS (and other Star Trek series too), have middle names and nicknames to boot. That is going overboard. A character name should not have a first name and a nickname; I think that should be a simple rule. One or the other.

But I repeat an additional challenge, which someone mentioned in the earliest thread, that is the same question as my post here: the characters on Benson were not credited onscreen with any character names at all! Therefore, I suggest that the Benson character's name should be Denise, and that's it. No middle and no last name either. That would solve the two original posters' marriage problem.

Just list whatever the character is most commonly addressed as. If everyone is referred to most often by just their first name, that's what should be listed. The entire Benson series should be changed.

And for Star Trek TNG where ALL the regulars had no character names listed, they should be credited simply by the most common name they're referred to. The other Star Trek series (Voyager, et al) the regulars were credited with character names onscreen which were elaborate (3 or 4 words), but for TOS just with one word last names. IMDb should list them exactly as onscreen.

That previous thread reminded me that the actor's page can be used to correct all occurences in one submission, rather than correct each episode individually. I'd forgotten about that.